let's talk about thinner
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:37 pm
OK, so let's talk about thinner or reducers as we call them in the trade. As you may have noticed I seem to be against adding any reducers to coatings and as a general rule if you can get good spray and flow without that is what you should do. But there are times when a bit of something will make a big difference. There are retarders and there are reducers.
Reducers; I'm sure a lot of you just buy lacquer thinner at the hardware store or wherever you got your lacquer. And that can work, but you never know what exactly you are getting in that can.
Professional reducers are rated by evaporation rates. This correlates to temperatures. For most of my reducers I am using PPG. Here is a break down of them,
DT860-cool temp, 60-70 degrees. Fast evaporation rate.
DT870-medium temp, 65-80 degrees. This is a good wide spectrum reducer. It works very well in metallic base coats.
DT885- warm temp, 75-90 degrees and above. another good one to have on hand.
DT895- hot temp, 85 degrees and above. Better choice for high temps and two part urethane clears.
DT898- hot temps, 95 degrees and above. Slowest evaporation rate.
So why should you match your reducer to the conditions? You will often use less reducer which means less VOC's and less money spent on materials. You will also get better surface quality and optimize between coat times. Both of these are very desirable, less level sanding and less time spent spraying.
Retarders; these are different then reducers. A reducer works by making the material less viscous and lowering the solids content. Retarders actually slow the drying process. They are heavy solvents like Butly-acetate that blend in with the original solvent pack and slow the evaporation considerably. While they do reduce the coating a bit it is no where near the percentage that reducers do. That is because you use so much less. Typically on a given day if I would need to add 10% reducer I would only be addoing 3%-5% of a retarder. The retarder will not behave like a reducer. It will allow the coating to flow out but it will not help a lot with atomization problems. So knowing what you need for the air of the day is important. These things are only learned through experience.
You can get retarders from PPG, I most likely have some here somewhere. But I use products made by the company that makes my nitro. They call them Flow Enhancers and there is #1 and #2. I like the #1. It is mostly Butyl-acetete and Propanol-acetate. I can get good flow out on my nitro with just adding a small percentage of this stuff when temps and RH are high ( like a few weeks ago). As I said the coating behaves a bit differently then with a straight reducer. And it takes some getting used to. But just like the change from siphon guns to HVLP many years ago their will be those who complain and drag their feet but in the end it is a change for the better. The key is knowing what you need the coating to do. If you can use a retarder you should. If you need a reducer use the appropriate one.
Retarders have a lot of uses in finishing and we will talk about them and some other points as I go along here.
Reducers; I'm sure a lot of you just buy lacquer thinner at the hardware store or wherever you got your lacquer. And that can work, but you never know what exactly you are getting in that can.
Professional reducers are rated by evaporation rates. This correlates to temperatures. For most of my reducers I am using PPG. Here is a break down of them,
DT860-cool temp, 60-70 degrees. Fast evaporation rate.
DT870-medium temp, 65-80 degrees. This is a good wide spectrum reducer. It works very well in metallic base coats.
DT885- warm temp, 75-90 degrees and above. another good one to have on hand.
DT895- hot temp, 85 degrees and above. Better choice for high temps and two part urethane clears.
DT898- hot temps, 95 degrees and above. Slowest evaporation rate.
So why should you match your reducer to the conditions? You will often use less reducer which means less VOC's and less money spent on materials. You will also get better surface quality and optimize between coat times. Both of these are very desirable, less level sanding and less time spent spraying.
Retarders; these are different then reducers. A reducer works by making the material less viscous and lowering the solids content. Retarders actually slow the drying process. They are heavy solvents like Butly-acetate that blend in with the original solvent pack and slow the evaporation considerably. While they do reduce the coating a bit it is no where near the percentage that reducers do. That is because you use so much less. Typically on a given day if I would need to add 10% reducer I would only be addoing 3%-5% of a retarder. The retarder will not behave like a reducer. It will allow the coating to flow out but it will not help a lot with atomization problems. So knowing what you need for the air of the day is important. These things are only learned through experience.
You can get retarders from PPG, I most likely have some here somewhere. But I use products made by the company that makes my nitro. They call them Flow Enhancers and there is #1 and #2. I like the #1. It is mostly Butyl-acetete and Propanol-acetate. I can get good flow out on my nitro with just adding a small percentage of this stuff when temps and RH are high ( like a few weeks ago). As I said the coating behaves a bit differently then with a straight reducer. And it takes some getting used to. But just like the change from siphon guns to HVLP many years ago their will be those who complain and drag their feet but in the end it is a change for the better. The key is knowing what you need the coating to do. If you can use a retarder you should. If you need a reducer use the appropriate one.
Retarders have a lot of uses in finishing and we will talk about them and some other points as I go along here.