Before gluing braces . . .

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Before gluing braces . . .

Post by Gary Davis »

. . . do folks scrape or plane the bottom of the braces after shaping on the radius dish and the corresponding locations on the top . . . or not? If not, why not?

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Re: Before gluing braces . . .

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no the dish does the work
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Re: Before gluing braces . . .

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Thanks John.
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I do wipe the dust off as much as I can...
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Re: Before gluing braces . . .

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I make all my curved bracing with a handplane and a simple jig, so I have a very smooth gluing surface to begin with. The whole bracing thing is way over thought IMO. If you have a decent fitting joint, modern glues do the work. To get into the complexity of perfect brace fitting into the geometry of the spherical top or back, is completely mind boggling. If we can get close, whether it is done by CNC or by hand, the glue takes care of things.-Bob
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Thank you Peter and Bob.
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Re: Before gluing braces . . .

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It never occurred to me that there was any need to. I radius the braces in the appropriate radius dish,then set the top (or back) in the dish and clamp the braces with go-bar rods, mashing everything down against the dish.
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Re: Before gluing braces . . .

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I just remember reading that sanding is not as effective for gluing surfaces as planing or scraping. I would think that that would be an important consideration given the stresses associated with bracing.

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Re: Before gluing braces . . .

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Gary Davis wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:54 am I just remember reading that sanding is not as effective for gluing surfaces as planing or scraping.
Hmm...that's interesting. I would have assumed that a sanded surface would provide a better grip for glue than a planed one.
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Re: Before gluing braces . . .

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I wanted to check Gary's statement about glue and sanding vs planing/scraping. There was a discussion on a classical guitar forum on this topic. ->Link

Apparently the research comes from the aircraft industry in the early 1940's using the waterproof glue Resorcinol. I have no idea if these findings would apply to Titebond original.

The other finding is that gluing freshly sanded/machined surfaces have a lower failure rate than surfaces that have had more time between sanding and then the glue process. I wasn't familiar with the concept of surface energy, but it does make sense.
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