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Rosette for next Classical Guitar.

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 11:20 pm
by johnnparchem
I needed to make a classical guitar rosette. I like to have them hint at being traditional but still be based on wood. I got a new stack of rosette blanks off the OLF classified and found one that looked like it would make a nice rosette. Also I have this whole stack of EIR\Black fiber strips I got at a Seattle Luthier Group auction I believe from Gurian Instruments and thought this rosette was a nice opportunity to use them.



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Instead of routing out the whole channel, I decided to make it on the sound board one section at a time. That way I can create tight channels for the rope binding and the EIR\B strips

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I tried to put in the stack without prebending. I was using a heat gun as I worked put I got so far and the roap binding started to come apart.

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Ultimately I pulled out my bending pipe, bent everything close to the correct shape and found it easy to inlay the stack. I sealed the channel with shellac and I pushed the stack in place and flooded it with thin CA.

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Before moving on to the next channel, the router base is set up perfectly to cut the outside of the wood rosette. I only take it to the depth that matches the thickness of the rosette I want. So without changing anything I cut to the outside line of the wood rosette. No measuring just negative space.

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After first trying to cat the second ring I noticed that I needed to scraped the ring level so that the router will cut the next channel at the correct depth.

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My stack is just a touch wider than my bit so I take a few passes and sneak up on the correct width. I make sure that any needed passes are going into the wood rosette area so that the router base is set to cut the inside of the wood rosette. Later when I run the back of the rosette blank though the drum sander a perfect sized ring should drop out.

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I pushed in the second purfling stack and ran the rosette blank through the drum sander until my ring dropped out.

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Looks like it will be a perfect fit

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I routed the inside of the rosette channel sneaking up on the black fiber. This is where the Bishop Cochran base shines. I have gotten where I can move the bit in .01 mm increments.

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The ring snapped right in place. Not wanting to break it by pulling it out, and having previously sealed the inside of the channel with shellac, I flooded the rosette with thin CA.

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All cleaned up

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Re: Rosette for next Classical Guitar.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:37 am
by Kevin Sjostrand
Beautiful John. I've been afraid to try using CA on the rosette sealing it first, that the CA might still show up yellow. But yours looks perfect. I guess I will have to give it a try. So what model Classical will this guitar be?

Re: Rosette for next Classical Guitar.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 9:43 am
by johnnparchem
Kevin Sjostrand wrote:Beautiful John. I've been afraid to try using CA on the rosette sealing it first, that the CA might still show up yellow. But yours looks perfect. I guess I will have to give it a try. So what model Classical will this guitar be?
Thanks, I sealed the channel really well with shellac; really taking care to have it on the walls of the channel where the end grain is exposed. This guitar is going to be the same as my last falcate classical. I am making it as a commission from my classical guitar instructor.

Re: Rosette for next Classical Guitar.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 5:51 pm
by Kevin Sjostrand
Oh nice, your last one sounds really good, so it will be neat to see how the next one compares. What woods are you using?

Re: Rosette for next Classical Guitar.

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:07 pm
by johnnparchem
Kevin Sjostrand wrote:Oh nice, your last one sounds really good, so it will be neat to see how the next one compares. What woods are you using?
I will post the guitar, I have a set of panama rosewood. Really great sound tap, and engelmann spruce top. I am using Spanish cedar for the neck. I am going to make my main brace a mm taller to raise the top resonance a bit, other than that it is the same design.

Re: Rosette for next Classical Guitar.

Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 8:28 pm
by Diane Kauffmds
Hey, wait a minute...you stole my wood! Hahahaha I'll be making my first rosette shortly for my 00 12 fret; it appears that we're using the same wood. I'm going to inlay a strip of abalone, but beyond that, I've not thought of a design. You did beautiful work.

Re: Rosette for next Classical Guitar.

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 11:01 pm
by johnnparchem
Diane Kauffmds wrote:Hey, wait a minute...you stole my wood! Hahahaha I'll be making my first rosette shortly for my 00 12 fret; it appears that we're using the same wood. I'm going to inlay a strip of abalone, but beyond that, I've not thought of a design. You did beautiful work.
Whoops, actually I remember seeing your wood now. I got a stack of rosette blanks from another luthier and this one was in it and matched my color scheme.