Gluing the Rosette

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naccoachbob
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Gluing the Rosette

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I just cut the channels for that 4-ring rosette I showed in another thread. Now comes the part I didn't give enough consideration when I decided to make it. What's the best way to glue it up?
In parts? All at once?
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Here's the original:
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Notice the rings intertwine. I need to come up with a plan of attack that will allow me to glue them in quickly enough before the glue sets up. I'm considering using Elmer's Glue All as my glue. It's more liquidy (a word?) than Titebond and has a longer open time. I don't need strength here. The other thought just going thru my mind is to use CA after putting down some lacquer to seal the top. Just put the pieces in and spread CA over it?
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Bob
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Re: Gluing the Rosette

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I'm a brand spankng new noob at these sort of things but FWIW I'd say shellac that top good and use CA. That's what I just did, though it's at a friend's house and I haven't scraped it flush yet so I don't know if it held or not.

As for the install, it looks to me like you've got a lot of fine cutting to do before you inlay.
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Re: Gluing the Rosette

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Yeh, lotsa precise cutting. Also, at least one of the corners of an intersection chipped off. Maybe I can take another from one of the parts under the fretboard and lay it in. I've emailed Joel Stehr to see what he did about these things.
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When I do a complicated rosette like this I like to keep the holes for the rosette cuts intact . That way I can set the material and cut at the joints for the neck one , and the next one. If you take your time , you will be find
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Re: Gluing the Rosette

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What if I lay glue in a channel for a whole ring, set that ring, then come back with the router at the intersection and cut thru the glue and that purfling?
Are there pros or cons for this?
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that is how you do it
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Re: Gluing the Rosette

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It would be great if you could keep a little "photo essay" for us...

We'll follow with interest.
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Re: Gluing the Rosette

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Looking at that rosette make me dizzy!
I agree, glue in one, let it dry and hour, then re-route another, and glue in, etc, etc, etc.
Should work perfectly.

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Re: Gluing the Rosette

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that sounds like a plan.......just leave all the joints where they will be hidden underneath the fretboard extension. Only issue I see is that your last ring will be on top of all the other rings and I don't see this on the original you have pictured. You may need to install your last ring first and make the cuts where it will appear it goes underneath the appropriate rings and then pop the parts of that ring out for installing last. Otherwise, it might look odd if one ring is "above" all the others.
naccoachbob wrote:What if I lay glue in a channel for a whole ring, set that ring, then come back with the router at the intersection and cut thru the glue and that purfling?
Are there pros or cons for this?
Thanks
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Re: Gluing the Rosette

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At first, I used a scrap "top" and layed a piece in it, then tried cutting thru the intersection. Didn't work for me.
So, I cut each piece by hand. Luckily a number of them ended under the fretboard, so precision wasn't needed. But some began and ended where they would show. I got it pretty good.
The bad side of all this was that when routing, the intersections weren't real stable, and I knocked off a few of the "corners". I got the big ones, but some spots look like voids in the picture. They really are a lot better than the picture shows.
Now I'm going to CA the thing, scrape it down, and cut out the center hole.
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Thanks everyone for your help on this.
Bob
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