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Ken Hundley
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Design Questions

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I have a guitar that I want to build, and I think this winter is the time to get things started. I have seen a guitar at Bacorn Guitars early in my hobby, and fallen in love with it.....it is modeled after the J200, with the round botom I have really become enamored with....I started with a Martin J16 style, and is still my favorite, but I love this gutiar:

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I have some curly maple.....good HARD stuff, but with havey, dark grain lines mixed with the curl. Not necessarily show quality flaming as we expect, but still very cool stuff. It hink it would make a gorgeous body, and I have several spruce top sets to choose from. Most are darker and pinker than what we typically expect of spruce, but I think this is a part of what gives my unusually designed guitars the "breathy" quality I have described. Some is the laminated bracing, some is the sound hole location, but I believe the spruce also contributes, which would actually compliment a maple bodied guitar.

I spoke iwth Mr. Bacorn several years ago when I first got started. I remember enough of his finishing schedule to be dangerous, but think I can replicate the look with a bit of testing. The question I have is regarding the neck. In most maple bodied guitars, the neck is maple too. Here's the problem. I want a 12 string. Ihave a 12 string neck already. I have been tempted to make a 12 string out of padauk...I have a top and back set already braced, and the sides bent, but I am leaning towards saveing the neck for the maple. Would it be unusual or uncouth to put a mahogany neck on a maple body? I think the finish woudl be wild enough to somewhat hide the material differences. I will be building this with my newer designs....sound hole off to the side, sound port on the treble side, but I doubt this will be a cutaway....it is a typical martin symmetrical heeled neck, as opposed to the "d" shaped heel that fits the side in a cutaway....Which I like far better. I will keep the guitar symmetrical, and look forward to the tremendous bass I woudl expect from all that soundboard surface area. I will more than likely use standard spruce for bracing as opposed to laminating. I will also more closely mirror the typical bracing pattern with few variations, but oddly enough, my biggest concern is a mahogany neck on a maple body. Weird, I know, but is there an aesthetic reason not do do this?
Ken Hundley
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Oval Soundhole
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Re: Design Questions

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Nothing wrong with a mahogany neck and maple body...
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Ken Hundley
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Re: Design Questions

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Ya convinced me oval, though I won't even begin to think about the parque on the back of that one. Gotta dig out my thickness sander now, and rebuild my side bender and a new mold.....gotta love projects. "Honey, i need more tools....I gotta fix my tool."
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I think you posted a picture more on the L5 the top is not flat enough. Check out Gibson and the L5 shape
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Ken Hundley
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L5 it is then....not that well versed in the Gibson lines....but I do love that shape. Thanks!
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Re: Design Questions

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The L-5 was an archtop, but the plantilla was first used for a flat top in the 30's for Recording King Carson Robison model which was latter braced, a similar guitar was made for Washburn later and also used ladder bracing. Gibson again started using the plantilla again in the 50's with the introduction of the J-185, which is what that guitar you posted a pic of before seems to be based on. Here are some pics of the J-185
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Re: Design Questions

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THanks Oval! I am not so concerned about the top bouts....there's not a huge difference (in my opinion) between the L5 shape and the J-185. One is a little flatter on the top than the other. I am more enamored with the rounder bottom than the Martin shape. It makes the waste same more narrow, and maybe it is. Haven't actually dimensioned them or researched it all that much. Just liked the shape, and have developed a profile that suits my interpretation of it. It'll be close to one or the other....we'll see when it's built. I'll be digging out the utility closet tomorrow where all my unused wood is stickered....will set the maple and the top aside. I need to cut the template, then make the mold. When that is done, I need to rework my bender....it is put together with a bunch of scraps of wood...I need to plan it out a little better than I did originally, and incorporate a better waste clamp crank and such to make it easier to operate. It currently bends very well, but can be awkward, I would like to make it easier to use. That is the priority, then rebuilding the existing molds to fit the new style bender. Should be a cool project for the winter. While I am working on that in the shop, I can get the top and back braced in the house where it is warmer. If the bender is finished this winter, I can get the sides bent, and start the rim as well. I have plenty of spruce, and may try making solid linings for this one...haven't done that yet, and havign a stiffer rim on a 12'er is nothing but a benefit in my eyes. Anyway, plenty to do.
Ken Hundley
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Re: Design Questions

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The L5 and J15 are similar with the waist location a bit different . They are very close in size otherwise .
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