HELP! I think I did just ruin my rim tonight. If so...an expensive lesson learned. What do you guys think?
Somehow when I leveled the top of the rim, I took more off near the waist. So I went back and leveled again, and got all set. Then I realized. Did I sand too far on the top in trying to level the top of the rim? I have a pre-mortised neck block, and by sanding so far down and then mounting the neck, it appears the fretboard will now be substantially above the level of the soundboard. Did I completely mess it up? Any way to fix it?
First Build - 12 Fret
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Take some off the back of the mortise so it will fit. I would keep going. How tall is your rim at the neck? Looking at the pictures you would also have to pull the inserts, plug the holes and re-drill for the inserts.
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turnertj
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Thanks John...I was thinking that too, but then I realized the amount I have to move down is less than one diameter! So I may have messed up. If so, I have a wonderful piece of wall art for sale!
This is a tough sport.
This is a tough sport.
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it is usable . One thing is you learned something . You have to look at the tenon , if you can enlarge the mortise , bingo if not get another neck and use this neck on another project. All is not lost so keep the chin up
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kencierp
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This is a math issue now -- if you would like, send me some pixs (PM not here) of neck block end of the rim without the neck attached -- hole locations on the neck and neck block. Height of the neck block -- length of the tenon. I believe it can be salvaged. Need to slow down and get a plan of attack before you remove material anywhere. We may need a bit more data as well.
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kencierp
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TJ
So I have not been closely following this thread, is this a packaged kit? or an assortment/combination of parts? It does not seem like you would have sanded off 1/2" too much material even by mistake. How did you do the rim sanding (method)?
So I have not been closely following this thread, is this a packaged kit? or an assortment/combination of parts? It does not seem like you would have sanded off 1/2" too much material even by mistake. How did you do the rim sanding (method)?
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turnertj
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Thanks John, Ken...
I'll get some pictures taken of the holes and geometry and PM to you Ken. I appreciate the help.
It's not a kit, though I am using a pre-made neck and neck block. I wanted to move up from the kit arena but not into the complete scratch build--baby steps. Building a neck scares me.
I'm not discouraged. Even if it's messed up I think it looks beautiful! I was dreaming about making a thinline style hollowbody electric (in the vein of a Taylor T5-ish) next anyway with this body style, so maybe I can replace the neck block and use this side set for that. I do have another set of sides that I could bend and get setup for this neck, too. At the very least I learned!
I believe that I removed about 1/8" of material too far. I can fit two soundboards worth of material in there, as in, with the fingerboard on there's about a .12" gap to where the top of the soundboard is. I know where I went wrong which is important, but not exactly sure why it happened. Maybe the rim slipped in the mold when I did the initial truing of the top surface, and then when I saw that it wasn't flat at the waist, I re-trued without thinking of the neck block/neck geometry. If I was routing out my own tenon it wouldn't be an issue I guess...so there's another lesson. Make your own neck/neck block next time!
Tj
I'll get some pictures taken of the holes and geometry and PM to you Ken. I appreciate the help.
It's not a kit, though I am using a pre-made neck and neck block. I wanted to move up from the kit arena but not into the complete scratch build--baby steps. Building a neck scares me.
I'm not discouraged. Even if it's messed up I think it looks beautiful! I was dreaming about making a thinline style hollowbody electric (in the vein of a Taylor T5-ish) next anyway with this body style, so maybe I can replace the neck block and use this side set for that. I do have another set of sides that I could bend and get setup for this neck, too. At the very least I learned!
I believe that I removed about 1/8" of material too far. I can fit two soundboards worth of material in there, as in, with the fingerboard on there's about a .12" gap to where the top of the soundboard is. I know where I went wrong which is important, but not exactly sure why it happened. Maybe the rim slipped in the mold when I did the initial truing of the top surface, and then when I saw that it wasn't flat at the waist, I re-trued without thinking of the neck block/neck geometry. If I was routing out my own tenon it wouldn't be an issue I guess...so there's another lesson. Make your own neck/neck block next time!
Tj
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Thanks all...
I'll keep you posted on the fix. I may just let this side sit for a bit while I consider how to best use it, and then go ahead and bend the other set I have to make that one work...with my lessons learned in hand!
Tj
I'll keep you posted on the fix. I may just let this side sit for a bit while I consider how to best use it, and then go ahead and bend the other set I have to make that one work...with my lessons learned in hand!
Tj
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Thanks Ken, that's a really good point. I've got to take off tomorrow and over the weekend for work, so I'll probably let it simmer and figure it out when I get home. Thanks for all the help. This whole process is fun and this forum is great. I appreciate all the comments and feedback.
Tj
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Well...I went ahead and bent up a new set of sides. Either way they were going to another guitar on this body style. And after thinking about it over the longe weekend off, i decided that I really do want to have the full thickness of the body I am building, so I started the process of making the rim again.
I'll use the old rim in something else, so it won't go to waste, and the lessons learned are invaluable. But I got to thinking, since I have a set of sides bent (the old ones), and that are sanded too thin for the body...this might be as good a time as any to try the whole double side thing. Anyone have any experience with that. Good idea, bad idea?
I'll use the old rim in something else, so it won't go to waste, and the lessons learned are invaluable. But I got to thinking, since I have a set of sides bent (the old ones), and that are sanded too thin for the body...this might be as good a time as any to try the whole double side thing. Anyone have any experience with that. Good idea, bad idea?