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Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:00 pm
by rcnewcomb
Build #2 has been settling in for about 5 days now. It's a redwood/mahogany dreadnought from a Stewmac kit. Obviously I used a different top.

I've noticed the bass is not nearly as strong as the treble. What are my options?

1. Do I need to give it more time to settle in?
2. Are there some braces that I could/should sand to improve the bass response?
3. Should I just let it be and move on to the next build?

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:00 pm
by ruby@magpage.com
I don't know, but I recently finished an oak ladder braced 16" guitar with the opposite problem - the bass is much louder than the treble. Can't wait to hear the discussion.

Ed

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:21 pm
by tippie53
Do you have any pictures of the bracing or others from when you where building?
Also what style of guitar?
what bracing scheme ?
top wood ?

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:45 pm
by ruby@magpage.com
Not trying to hijack, but just give more info for better discussion. This one is bass heavy and a little weak on volume. The details were done with help from Haans Brentrup who specialized in this type of instrument.

Red spruce, sitka bracing, Osage Orange plate:

Ed

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:33 pm
by rcnewcomb
tippie53 wrote:Do you have any pictures of the bracing or others from when you where building?
Also what style of guitar?
what bracing scheme ?
top wood ?
It is the standard StewMac dread brace pattern on a redwood top.
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Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:50 pm
by rcnewcomb
Thinking about this further. Does a thicker top mean less bass?

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:26 pm
by johnnparchem
Thicker top or taller braces mean less bass. Basically stiffness supports the trebles but hurts the bass. But if I were to try to tune the top at this stage I would work on the braces. When I work on the braces, I try to take a bit from a few areas listening to the top by tapping as I go. If I remove from an area and it sounds better I remove a bit more from the same area. If it makes no difference I go to the next target on my list and follow the same procedure. The order that I use is the tone bar scallops, then knock down the the far peaks of the tone bars, then the near peaks of the tone bars, the x brace scallops and the far xbrace peak. If the top was not already closed I would take a bit from the xbrace cross if the above did not help.

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:45 pm
by ruby@magpage.com
John

Do you have some electronic equipment or do you listen with your ears to the tap tone. In my experience, I don't have enough exposure to even start thinking about what is "better" - is there some set of rules to follow?

Ed

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:16 pm
by johnnparchem
I do both, ears and software. There is a free tool visual analyzer http://www.sillanumsoft.org/ that can show the resonance freaquencies of the guitar. It just needs a PC and almost any microphone. I set up as described in a document by Trevor Gore http://www.goreguitars.com.au/attachmen ... ata_R1.pdf.

What I would be looking is to move the top resonance to around 180 Hz. A bit higher in a small guitar.

One could also listen, in this case the guitar is described as too much treble and lacking bass. What I would look for is to make the pitch of the tap note lower. It is important to not do to much at a time. Make some changes that you think you can hear string it up it see if you are happier.

Re: Improving bass response after it is built?

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:18 pm
by ruby@magpage.com
Thanks John. I'll give my failing ears a work out on the one I am in the middle of now

Ed