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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:04 am 
I've had to compensate for mine for years. :-)

I'm a little intrigued by the Feiten method, and by the comments of Herman and others about taking a small amount off the end of the fretboard. How does one come up with an amount to remove? What about the zero fret? I'm still too busy trying to learn more basic stuff, but I sure find it all interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:40 am 
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deadedith wrote:
I've had to compensate for mine for years. :-)

How does one come up with an amount to remove?


by listening to what others who have completed significantly more guitars have to say on the issue.

I will say I hit the 1.5mm dim completely by accident... slotted my FB and found the end wasn't square... >:( knew I had read something about shortening the first fret distance... it all went from there. I agree that number is too high, and dialed it back to 1mm nut compensation for the one I have currently under construction.

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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:28 am 
"by listening to what others who have completed significantly more guitars have to say on the issue."

Of course; but even 'they' don't agree with one another on the amount to be removed - there must be a REASON based on a formula, or a formula derived after many builds, that can be a guide. A number that all agree on, since it's not a method that I'm looking for, but a fact..

Plus let's face it - those who have built the most guitars are the ones who have the trouble with one another's approaches, as anyone who has followed this forum for long can well attest. :-) Not saying it's a bad thing, but it is a fact.

I will do some research and try to find out HOW the correct amount to be removed is determined and used on a repeatable basis, unless someone here has the information. Hopefully someone does. :-)


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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:34 pm 
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deadedith wrote:

Of course; but even 'they' don't agree with one another on the amount to be removed



Or where to locate the bridge now that the nut has been moved!

:)

I hear ya. Think I'll just do multi-scale on everything from here out. !!!

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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:08 pm 
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Throw 3 numbers that are close into a hat and pull one out. No, you say?

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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:10 pm 
Or maybe just go fretless!!


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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:12 pm 
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Dave, for me there is a formula. The distance between the nut and the 1st fret is about 35 mm. I noticed on a few of my guitars the with a proper intonation on the 12th fret, that the 1st and 2nd fretted notes were about 2 cents sharp. That brought me to the conclusion (with the Feiten theory in mind) that the fretboard shound be 2 percent of the first distance shorter. That makes my 0.7mm.

Tell me if I am wrong, please.

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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:19 pm 
Thanks Herman. I was going to say it makes 'cents' to me but that is too obvious a pun. :-)

It seems you have had very good success with that formula, and like they say, you can't argue with success. I will stick your formula in my back pocket and pull it out when my next project gets to that point.

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Dave


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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:50 pm 
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Too much honor. Do not call it very good succes. I just think it helps a bit with the intonation, because it depends on so many things, as strings, playing technique, hard or soft touch etcetera.

FWIW: A friend pro-luthier nearby does the setup for Stevie Vai's "Flo" when he is in Holland. I would say, that makes him qualified.
I discussed this nut-intonation-issue with him before, and he told me he also takes a bit of his fretboards too. I can't recall now exactly how much, but it is about in range I use.


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 Post subject: Re: First Fret Distance
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:33 pm 
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Am I missing something here? If you move the nut closer to the 1st fret doesn't that also move it closer at the 12th? Which means the open tuning changes and when you re-tune you're right back where you started!

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