OM-40 Deep-Body

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RnB
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OM-40 Deep-Body

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I'm not quite sure how to lay this all out since it was started back in 2006 as an X-mas gift from my wife. She had actually 1st bought me an M&T Hog (dread) kit from Martin's 1833 shop, but I didn't care for it & returned it. I wanted something a bit fancier kit w/ a Dovetail & some bling. :>) I ended up going the upgrade rout w/ a kit I saw on ebay...from a seller called Tippie. Description: 'this is a high-end kit'...lol! They say; hindsight is 20/20...? Long-story short, I started building it asap & got to the point where it was all boxed, neck assembled & then shelved it for all this time for fear of that infamous 'dovetail joint'. I had carved it up w/ my chisel to where I almost really messed it up. Thankfully, through perseverance, I managed to save it. This was a fancy kit & I wanted it to come out OK. Occasionally, I would get back to it, but it would always end up on the back-burner.

In the mean time, I had accumulated parts & zoot for other acoustics, figuring I'd better get a handle on building skills & how a neck joint works. So...time has come & I really want to finish it up. I took pics along the way for reference, but my procedure at the time was somewhat novice, thinking I could handle this kit & it was not going to be a problem...hmmm!

I'll post some past pics, but they will be w/o explanation. It's a basically a Martin IRW kit w/ hexagon fret inlays & flamed Maple binding. I'm calling it a OM-40 DB. I changed a few things that were add-on's & were not w/ the kit orig (binding on neck & hdstk). John was extremely accommodating! The Engelmann top came joined, but the rosette needed installing. The sides & maple binding were pre-bent. Nut width is 1 3/4" & bridge spacing is 2 1/4". I now have it to where I'm spraying the final finishes on w/ Nitro. At last, I'm nearing that light at the end...

These 1st pics were taken w/ an older camera. It's since been retired...
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I had the neck sitting OK, but it was never tight. I recently shimmed it for a good fit...
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The next post will be of the progress I've made recently...
Rich
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Kevin Sjostrand
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Re: OM-40 Deep-Body

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Rich,
This guitar looks very fine! Nice nice job so far.

Kevin
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Re: OM-40 Deep-Body

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Kevin Sjostrand wrote:Rich,
This guitar looks very fine! Nice nice job so far.

Kevin
Thx Kevin. These next set of pics should show a transformation...

I pore-filled the neck & body w/ Z-poxy. Sanding sealer has been applied (about 5 coats). When I bound the top w/ the wood binding, I didn't cinch it up tight enough. Consequently, there were quite a few small gaps around the tops perimeter. I spent a great deal of time fixing them by drop-filling w/ S&S. After 40 years of pro painting & dealing w/ compressors, pressure pots, spray guns et al, rattle cans work for me. I use Deft & Mohawk now. I can get a good finish w/ it.

I stained the binding 1st by using Trans-Tints from Woodcraft (honey amber & medium brn). Thinned it down to the degree of tone I wanted w/ water. Taped off the sides (not that it mattered) & went around w/ a q-tip. I had shellacked the top long ago, so any stain wiped off easily when I slipped. Between staining & Zpoxy, the white in the purfling gets a little yellowed. I carefully scraped that off w/ a razor blade. Sand throughs are an easy fix w/ water-base stains. A lot easier than w/ an oil stain...

Neck finish
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Sealed
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After all these years, the top has it's own aging toner...
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I dry sanded the sealer w/ 600 grit paper & let sit for a few days between coats to be sure the spots that were drop-filled were nice & hard enough to sand. After level sanding today, I began lacquering. I'll usually sand in-between coats after getting a good buildup. Sanding w/ naphtha & 800 grit, Moving to 1000 & finer grits as I near the end. For the most part, I'll follow the 'rule of threes' when lacquering. I also don't like to put a lot of lacquer on.
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Kind of a blurry pic. I think the lacquer was getting to me...
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Rule of Threes:
From the finishing forum (a lot of this depends on conditions, weather permitting & can vary...yada yada yada):
The rule of threes is intended for nitrocellulose lacquer and is described as:
3 passes (side to side, up and down, side to side) = 1 coat
Wait 3 hours and repeat, 3 coats per day for 3 days or until you have gone through 2 cans of clear.
Passes should start on the light side by passing quickly to give a misting, the first few coats should look dull. Gradually slow down your passes to give a wetter coat.


Rich
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nice indeed.
I use a 10-1
10 coats 1 hr apart
and it doesn't matter who or how it is what you end up with. It isn't what you put on but what you let on.
Nice details and I am sure it will be a sweet box.
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Spent the last few days applying finish. I have enough coats on the body to call it quits & let it sit before final sanding. All toll, there are about 8 coats on the back 12 on the sides & six on the top. I wet sand smooth before going on to another set of spraying. On one pass for the top that I had prepped for another coat, I made the mistake of wiping the top down w/ Naphtha & not waiting long enough for it to evaporate. Consequently, the lacquer went on terribly w/ separations & loads of orange peel. I spent some time sanding it down smooth again and resuming later on. Since I do spraying w/ the guitar on a lazy-susan, the sides end up w/ more finish due to flipping the guitar over repeatedly. I hope no one questions me on my unorthodox ways of spraying. Totally Guadalajara, maybe?...but it works for me. Like Tippie says: "it doesn't matter how you get it on there, it's what you end up with".

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Can't see it too well in the photo, but this top has incredible silking on it. John sent me a choice piece of Engelmann along w/ this kit... :>)
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The neck has a satin finish now, but I've decided to gloss-up the hdstk face & went about shooting it. I've put 3 coats on on top of the satin & was wondering how many coats other's usually apply to ta Hdstk Face to give it that deep-shine? It seems, no matter how much I put on, I can never get away from the the lacquer sinking into the grain. I Z-poxy it 3 times & it was OK as a satin finish, but I'd like to get it looking like glass. More lacquer or wait & see after a week when final sanding it done...?
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Great looking guitar. Nice clean work and really nice finish work.
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If your headstock was filled, you may just be seeing orange peel. When you think you have enough on, level it and see what you end up with
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Kevin Sjostrand wrote:If your headstock was filled, you may just be seeing orange peel. When you think you have enough on, level it and see what you end up with
I let the hdstk & body sit for well over a week before level sanding w/ naphtha & progressively finer grits of paper. The hdsk's much improved, but I still see some grain showing. Not enough to bother me though. I usually use 3M products for the final buffing, but this time I only used Ultra-Finish as a rubbing cmpd & it didn't come out to bad. I need to go over it once again. I don't use machines, all by hand. Somethings got to change, my shoulders are really feeling it.

Sitting around my tiny shop for the last 7 years wasn't too kind to the top, as it has accumulated a few blems, although fairly insignificant. To make matters worse, carrying it around the house the other day, the neck fell off & landed right on the top...grrr! Luckily, the scarring occurred where a pkgd goes & will hide my touch-ups. I modified a D-45 Tor-tis Medium pkgd to fit that I had about the shop.

I need to mount the neck & bridge & then it's onto setting it up. Not sure about the tiny frets I put in long ago. They might get pulled in favor of bit taller wire (.095w x .045h) that I favor. Also, got a feeling that work's going to get in the way of progress for a week or so come mid-week...?

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looks nice bet it will sound good as well
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looks good, Set her up!
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