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Number two

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On this page there's a link to my #2, a size 5 terz in koa, so far. The body was from scratch, so it's been quite the adventure! I'm presently halfway through french polishing on the body. Filler is Z-poxy, which I like very much. I'm still trying to decide on the inlays for the neck. Have a look.

Oct 02, 06 | 7:39 pm
Dennis Weatherly

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That is looking really nice, Pat! I hope to try a 000 from scratch at some point. The fact that you tackled it on #2 gives me some hope :-)

Oct 02, 06 | 9:14 pm
Phlytyer (Keith)

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Pat: Two great builds! Thanks for the presentation.

Oct 03, 06 | 2:12 am
Bill Cory

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Pat -- That's looking really great. Thanks for all the excellent photos!

Oct 03, 06 | 5:07 am

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Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen. This wasn't too much of a stretch from the serviced LMI kit since I bought the neck on ebay as a Martin size 5 reject.

Bill, how is finishing going? I'm finding that I really like fp. Demanding in some ways but very forgiving in other ways, like touchup. With what I'm learning about fp technique (put it on THIN) I hope to revisit KTM9 put on with a pad. I think there's a lot of potential for KTM9 if it's put on very thin. KTM9 is commonly put on thick then sanded back to get it smooth. I think the thickness contributes to problems with clarity that I've read about. The beauty of fp is that the process applies such a thin film. If I can do that with KTM9 with a pad, I'll really have something, I think.

Oct 03, 06 | 11:29 am

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Ditto on all the comments above! Great work!!!

Not to take things off track, but I've been baffled as to how 'Size 5' and 'Terz' fit into the Martin scheme? Anyone know the background?


Oct 03, 06 | 2:33 pm

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Small early 20th century Martins had sizes 5 to 1, then 0, 00 and 000, which is the 000 we know today. The 5 was the smallest. The mini Martin currently made is based on this size.

The terz designation is German for third, I believe. The 5 has about a 22-inch string length, 21.375 scale, tuned up 3 semi-tones. It's a lot like a standard scale with a capo at the third fret. Tuning it up makes up for the lost string tension from having such a short scale.

Oct 03, 06 | 2:42 pm
Dennis Weatherly

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Sounds kind of similar to a Tacoma Papoose, which I believe is tuned A to A. I would think that it would be a great size for a child to learn on. And I have just such a child that wants to play guitar (currently plinking on a starter Uke). Maybe one of these needs to go on the project list....

Oct 03, 06 | 2:49 pm

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Really great work and great photo's. That is a nice accomplishment. I'm becoming a fan of FP myself. Shellac is a very interesting material.



Oct 03, 06 | 3:09 pm

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Great job Pat - I'm leaning more and more towards the FP myself. It's a guitar for me - so I'll only blame myself if it gets dinged easily - but like you said, a fairly easy repair type too.

- JB

Oct 06, 06 | 10:29 am

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