Deprecated: Function mysql_numrows() is deprecated in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 333

Deprecated: Function mysql_numrows() is deprecated in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 333
<br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> French Polishing With "Hard Shellac"

You are currently viewing Kit Guitar Forum archives. To view the current forums go to www.KitGuitarsForum.com/board



Log-in
Register
Members



Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236
French Polishing With "Hard Shellac"
Author
Post
Andy

Total Topics: 57
Total Posts: 352
I'm going to french polish my guitar as this is the best finish for me with my setup and environmental conditions. I've done a sample 000 size on Tasmanian Oak [ very open grained eucalypt ] veneered particle board with excellent results using "Hard Shellac" http://www.ubeaut.com.au/ubhome.htm

However I was wondering what the clean up of squeeze-out of titebond from the bridge & f/board glue-up may do to the french polish. The company I bought this from has no information on possible reactions. The only thing that maybe in my favour is that it's supposed to cure to be has hard and water resistant as polyurethane.

The couple of options I see I may have are: a) finish the whole guitar after I've glued up the neck & bridge as was traditionally done on classical guitars. b) finish the body & neck then mask off around the bridge & f/board making sure I only use just enough glue to make a strong bond. Hoping to minimise squeeze-out.

Any comments appreciated.

Sep 25, 06 | 3:52 pm
Andy

Total Topics: 57
Total Posts: 350
Update: If you click on the URL in my post above, you'll have to take the link to "Hard Shellac" on the left hand side of the U-Beaut homepage. That'll take you to the shellac I'm going to use.

Sep 25, 06 | 9:47 pm
Andy

Total Topics: 57
Total Posts: 350

I've now completed the finish on my guitar with Hard Shellac I sourced from U-Beaut. In a few days I'll do the final buff with pumice talc. The finish has come up very nicely and as they claim it's much harder than your average white shellac. In my experience it's as hard as nitro cellulose. The test board I did back in June resists fingernail and pick scratches. I even gave it a misting of water which dried off without leaving any clouding

I found French Polishing wasn't such a steep learning curve, you just have to be methodical, follow the directions in the link below to the letter and be prepared to use a lot of elbow grease. The recommended coating is done in 8 "sessions" with 6 coats per session. The link will get you to what is the most complete guide [ and I mean complete ! ] to French Polishing guitars I've ever come across. Hope this is of some interest to you guys.

Here's the blurb from the U-Beaut website about their Hard Shellac.

"Ever wished you had a finish that was as easy to use as shellac but with the durability of polyurethane? Well wish no more, because here it is.

This unique Hardened Shellac creates a film that will withstand heat, water and alcohol, yet it is used in exactly the same was as any normal shellac. It can be applied with a rubber as French polish, brushed, sprayed and dipped.

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
After shellac has been dissolved in ethanol it is possible to introduce additives that cause the shellac to cross link after it has dried. This cross linking takes about 20 days to completely cure, less in hot weather. This time can be reduced by 2½ days for every 10 degrees increase in temperature, say under a light or in front of a heater.

This makes this polish the ideal finish for table tops and other horizontal surfaces such as dresser and desk tops, etc.

APPLICATION.
Hard Shellac is applied in the same manner as any normal shellac. The drying time is the same as regular shellac. ie: almost instantly.

It is suggested that the first coat onto raw timber be a coat of regular unhardened shellac, and that all subsequent coats be done in Hard Shellac."



A complete guide to French Polishing Guitars:

http://www.milburnguitars.com/fpbannerframes.html

Oct 18, 06 | 8:22 pm
Luthier Suppliers

Total Topics: 2
Total Posts: 68
Andy,
I know this stuff does not exist in the States. I've finished 2 guitars with FP using the Zinsser de-waxed seal coat at a 2lb cut. I just cut it to 1lb, and use a very easy method of applying. But the problem is that it is not hard enough for my uses. I wonder if you can get this hard shellac here in the states. Also, if I can't find it anywhere, would you be willing to buy some for me and ship to me in the states, if I pay you via paypal?
Tracy

Oct 19, 06 | 8:15 am
Andy

Total Topics: 57
Total Posts: 350
Tracy, I'd like to help but the site says that it can't be mailed outside Australia. I suspect that's because it's pre-mixed with ethanol in a 500ml container.

Oct 19, 06 | 1:01 pm
BruceHerrmann

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 4
Andy, the shellac is available in the states from LMI. I think I might try some.
Here's the link...http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?NameProdHeader=U-Beaut+Hard+Shellac

Can't figure out the link procedure,just cut and paste the URL. If anyone uses it, please post your results...


Best
Bruce

Dec 03, 09 | 1:50 pm
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
I got a bottle from LMI last week but am not to the point of using it yet.

Bruce -- Welcome to the forum!

To put in a link the same way it appears on the web, just put the whole think in with no characters adjacent to it (that is, put a space at each end) and the forum will automatically take care of it. http://www.lmii.com/CartTwo/thirdproducts.asp?NameProdHeader=U-Beaut+Hard+Shellac

Bill Cory

Dec 03, 09 | 2:04 pm
BruceHerrmann

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 4
Great, thanks Bill, now I know what to do.

I'm looking forward to hearing how this new hard shellac works. I've used
my own mix and Zinzler's and found it hard to produce the surface hardness
I've wanted. I restore old Martin's (pre-1900) from time to time and have to use shellac via the french polish method. It takes a long time for significant hardness
of the surface so this stuff is interesting. Not cheap but they say you can cut
it 50% so that helps.

Best
Bruce

Dec 03, 09 | 3:09 pm
BruceHerrmann

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 4
Just finishing the restoration of a early 1900 1-34. The back had to come off
for extensive work to the top, it's all back together now. I used this new hard shellac and had a nice finish in 2 days on the back. I'll post some photos later, just have to re-glue the ivory bridge and it's about done. So far I'd say the
new shellac works well. It's drawback may be that they don't recommend it for use over older shellac finishes, they say it may cause crazing. May try it on an instrument that is not so critical...
Bruce

Dec 15, 09 | 11:20 am
Simon

Total Topics: 22
Total Posts: 67
Hiya Bruce,

Also interested to hear your finishing routine using the hard shellac (ie how many coats, gloss or satin...) I'm thinking of trying it out myself.

Cheers,

Simon

Dec 16, 09 | 12:06 am
BruceHerrmann

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 4
Simon, my apologies for not responding to you post sooner.
I find that if I cut the Hard Shellac by 50% out of the bottle it goes on nicely.
I think it's a bit hard to work with straight up, but others may not have any problem.It does build up nicely, in fact it's easy to get too much finish if you are not careful. You will notice a distinct milky appearance, you've got too much material if that's the case. I've sanded it with micro-papers and had some success but findthat the traditional spiriting off and polish techniques still work great.
Just be careful, as with all French polish applied finishes, to work the edges carefully as they tend to not get the material laid down that center areas get. You can easily find yourself thicker in the middle and thinned out towards the edges.

You can apply quite a bit in a week, usually enough to finish the guitar. They say something like 13 days and it can go in a case, I've not tested that but it seemslogical from the finish surface I'm getting.

It does take a nice polish if you are patient, just watch buildup in all areas, trying to keep things even. Start with the edges and then work the other areas trying to keep your pad moving in various patterns.
So far, I like it, we'll see. I've been spraying nitro on the necks and this material for bodies but now I'm ready to use it on necks as well, seems to be able to handle wear and use quite well.
Hope that makes sense.
Bruce

Apr 02, 10 | 11:10 am
Luthier Suppliers

Total Topics: 2
Total Posts: 68
I have since tried the ubeat hard shellac on several instruments. The original ubeat was available throught Penn State Industries, but since they quit carrying it. That version of the shellac crazed really bad after about 6 months. But the new version that LMI is selling now has now been modified, and no more crazing. I did a little soprano uke with that, and it still looks good after a year. I have since did another guitar with it, and it also looks good, and the finish is a little harder than regular shellac. I cut it with everclear to about a 1lb cut and apply as a french polish method that works for me. I don't use any circular motions and only apply in straight strokes. I can get it to a mirror finish fairly easily. I can also put it in a case after working it for 24 hours. It dries fairly hard to the touch immediately(if you use a light 1lb cut.). I really like the stuff and will be using it on all my instruments.
Tracy

Apr 02, 10 | 12:32 pm
Simon

Total Topics: 22
Total Posts: 67
Bruce, Tracy,

Thanks for the insights! I'll definitely give it a try.

You can easily find yourself thicker in the middle and thinned out towards the edges.

That's been happening to me ever since I hit 40 :-)

Cheers,

Simon

Apr 08, 10 | 12:24 pm
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
You said it! Boxing couldn't even keep it off me this year.

I'm surprised I never even saw this post. With the methods required to get a very good Tru-Oil finish on an entire guitar, I may try this for a couple instruments. I mean, who couldn't use a little Everclear around the house anyway? Give my Ouzo a break.

Apr 08, 10 | 12:45 pm



Deprecated: Function eregi() is deprecated in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/lib/member.fns.php on line 2298

You must be a registered and logged in member to post in this forum