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LMI glue drying to white?
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Simon

Total Topics: 22
Total Posts: 68
Hi all,

Quick question: I was doing some gluing the other day using the LMI glue. It's the middle of winter here and while the humidity was fine it was a bit cold (around 10 degrees celcius or 50 degrees farhenheit). Probably should have taken it all inside where it wa a bit warmer!

Anyway, when the glue dried it went white and a bit pasty rather than being clear. Is my glue off or was it simply too cold? Fortunately I wasn't gluing anything vital: just blocking the end of the truss rod channel. Still, I'm thinking I should re-do it regardless...

Thanks all!

Cheers,

Simon

Jul 01, 10 | 9:42 pm
dviss

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 165
Simon,
The same thing happened to me, I emailed lmi and the answer was that the glue should be kept and used at room temperature. Like you, I was doing my gluing in the garage, in winter.

sometimes i've found if there is not a good enough joint or pressure while gluing, it will dry white as well, ...might be your issue.

enjoy the build,
darren

Jul 02, 10 | 5:11 am
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
I have heard, and maybe incorrectly, that you can refrigerate the glue to make it last longer, but it must be at 65 F or warmer prior to use. Your parts must also be at that temperature.

Jul 02, 10 | 6:45 am
blues creek guitars Authorized Martin Repair Ctr

Total Topics: 52
Total Posts: 1011
There us an interesting glue article in the last Guitarmaker Magazine where the author compared technical results from many different glues. The results of the test were not what you would think.

John Hall
Blues Creek Guitars Inc.
Authorized CF Martin Repair Center

Jul 02, 10 | 7:23 am
Todd Stock

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 6
Any of the PVA and AR glues will try white or yellow (TB) if they are used in cooler temps, or have aged to the point where they need to be discarded. LMI White can 'go off' in as little as six months...when it starts drying with a chalky surface or anything other than hard, glossy, and clear, toss it.

After having been burned one or twice with LMI White, I test the bottle before use and every month or so after that...scrap is cheap.

Currently testing Gorilla Glue White to see if it's a decent substitute...def has a shelf life under two years, as the oldest bottle I have is a 2008, and the glue has separate into an amber liquid and white, chalky paste.

Jul 24, 10 | 4:09 am
Ken Cierp

Total Topics: 58
Total Posts: 2262
The self life and performance of the LMII Luthier's Glue shows up a lot on the Internet. I did a little investigating, since LMII does not have "as far as I know" a chemistry lab, it simply makes sense that they sell a re-packaged product. Here is the last disclaimer on the LMII MSDS sheet for the glue:

Disclaimer:

This information is provided in good faith and is correct to the best of

Forbo's knowledge as of the date hereof and is designed to assist our

customers; however, Forbo makes no representation as to its completeness

or accuracy. Our products are intended for sale to industrial and

commercial customers. We require customers to inspect and test our

products before use and to satisfy themselves as to suitability for their

specific applications. Any use which Forbo customers or third parties

make of this information, or any reliance on, or decisions made based upon

it, are the responsibility of such customer or third party. Forbo

disclaims responsibility for damages, or liability, of any kind resulting

from the use of this information. THERE ARE NO WARRANTIES OR

REPRESENTATIONS, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING THOSE OF MERCHANTABILITY OR

FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE WITH RESPECT TO THIS INFORMATION OR TO

THE PRODUCT IT DESCRIBES. IN NO EVENT SHALL FORBO BE LIABLE FOR SPECIAL,

INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES.

Note who is actually the manufacturer of the glue "FORBO" It is strickly my "guess" but since Forbo Fast Tak woodworking adhesives are produced and intended for very quick "dated" factory turn over schedules, shelf life is not a major concern. So again "speculation on my part" it seems to me the six month shelf life factor starts when the five gallon buckets that LMII gets, are filled -- not necessarily when they get around to re-packaging. BTW not sure which LMII advertisment but one can see the pails of glue in the picture.
For about 40 years now I have been pleased with "Titebond" original no creep no bridge blow off problems. -- more than $.02 but interesting none the less.

Ken Cierp

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Jul 24, 10 | 6:54 am
RayRay

Total Topics: 21
Total Posts: 190
So John, what WERE the test results? :0)

Jul 24, 10 | 8:49 am
Todd Stock

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 6
I prefer the LMI White, but only use it for binding, where the clear glue line is helpful on maple and some other binding woods. Titebond and LMI both creep at elevated temps...I tell folks not to cook their guitars, but use hide because some folks do ;-)

Jul 24, 10 | 2:50 pm



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