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Trim Router for Lutherie.......
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Adaboy

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Total Posts: 514
Here is a link to a trim router that might work well for Luthrie. Comes with several bases including a circle cutting base! It's on special right now if anyone wants to try one. I haven't tried or seen this unit. I seen it posted on another site and thought I would share it here.

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/marvel_3in1_router.html

Another option, the new, redesigned Rigid trim router (I think it's model 2401) is another candidate for a great trim router for guitar building. Several improvements over the previous design........and a lifetime warranty.

Apr 21, 10 | 5:26 am
Adaboy

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Total Posts: 509
Oh, here is a link to the Porter Cable 7310 for $59.99.......great price.

http://www.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0000222Z6

Apr 21, 10 | 5:28 am
Ken Cierp

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We have Porter Cable tools all over the shop including on our three big CNC machines --- but in my view these 7310 trim routers simply are not up to standard --- the poorly designed base leads to inaccuracy and some very frustrating adjustments. Ours were returned. Again, an opinion, the Bosch Colt is a better choice in this price range.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Apr 21, 10 | 7:41 am
Adaboy

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The Bosch is a nice router but I have read several folks post where they have had problems with runout. I have the Bosch 1613EVS as my main router (recalling teh number from memory). It has a dial depth adjustment that can make 0.001" adjustments which is sure nice. Wish their trim router had this feature.

Still, some folks have had good success with the 7310 and if it's what you like, that is a good price. I myself have the old Porter Cable 310.

Apr 21, 10 | 10:13 am
Ken C

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Total Posts: 554
Have a Bosch Colt. It's great. Surprised to hear about runout issues. It is actually one of the better laminate trimmers out there for the price with respect to runout. Maybe the folks who are dissing it for runout have heavy hands with their wrenches when seating bits and tightening the collet.

Ken

Apr 21, 10 | 6:50 pm
Woody O'Keefe

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I have a question about the last two reponses to this post.
I'm confused about the runout issue.
Adaboy Does this mean the Bosch doesn't cut well?

Ken C are you saying that a too tight collett is a problem?

Thanks,

Woody

Apr 22, 10 | 8:24 am
blues creek guitars Authorized Martin Repair Ctr

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PC 7310 is not a bad router . It sure beats Harbor freight . There are a number of usable ones out there . Makita , Ryobi , Delta . Avoid the Harbor freight ones. I have 6 7310s in my shop and all do what I need very well.
You do get what you pay for . Runout is a term that measures the turning bit. Higher the run out the less accurate the machine and more vibration. Milwalkee is a great tool .
John Hall
Blues Creek Guitars Inc.
Authorized CF Martin Repair Center
Member Board of Directors of ASIA

Apr 22, 10 | 8:42 am
Jim_H

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Total Posts: 212
Several folks over at the OLF have been raving about the new Rigid trim router (Model R2401 specifically).

Rigid R2401 at Home Depot Link

I'm in the market for another, and really like the features this has. It's not cheap for sure. But hopefully will be a keeper.

Apr 22, 10 | 7:16 pm
Ken Cierp

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Good one Jim I forgot about the Rigid --- Our next trim router will be one of these, very well made, nice adjustment action and a great accessory package come with it.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Apr 23, 10 | 3:47 am
blues creek guitars Authorized Martin Repair Ctr

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I agree the rigid is a nice unit

Apr 23, 10 | 8:46 am
Adaboy

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I too think the Rigid would be a nice unit (but have only looked at them in the store, not used one).

Apr 23, 10 | 9:16 am
Ken C

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Total Posts: 554
Adaboy,

Most collets are designed so the shaft of the bit can be inserted all the way to where it bottoms out, then raised a slight amount. The idea is to have the entire inside of the collet gripping the shaft of the bit. If the bit only goes part way into the collet, the collet can distort when tightened. Even if the shaft is properly seated, overtightening can cause runout. Misuse can cause permanent runout problems. A dirty bit shaft or a dirty collet can also cause runout. I keep steel wool near my routers to periodically clean the bit shafts.

I would not be concerned with runout. I can't imagine the amount of runout in any of the trimmers mentioned would matter for what you would be doing. Focus instead on the features you want in your trimmer and when you get one, insert the bits correctly, and keep them and your collet clean, and you'll be fine.

Ken

Apr 23, 10 | 6:20 pm
Jim_H

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When shopping for the Rigid, be sure to get the 2401. As I understand it it's far superior it's 2400 predecessor...

Or so I'm told. :)

Apr 24, 10 | 3:05 pm
John S.

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Another vote for the Bosch Colt.

John

Apr 25, 10 | 11:07 am
Kevin Sjostrand

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Well I will probably be booed out of this thread I know, but...here goes.
I have done three guitars so far with the Harbor Freight trim router, and so far, not problems. Maybe I just got a good one? Only cost me $20.00, got it on sale. No bits thrown, and any runout has not been a problem.

I will purchase a better router when the cash starts flowing from all my guitar sales....not!

Kevin

Apr 25, 10 | 6:29 pm
Ken Cierp

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Total Posts: 2262
We have never had a problem with Harbor Freight trim routers, we use them for single purpose set ups --- the rack and pinion adjusters are very easy to use but a bit sloppy. I would warn that you MUST place a washer between the locking knob and the base to prevent wear and slippage and also make sure there are no metal chips caught in the collet slot. There will be horror stories --- but I could relate problems and damage caused by machines costing several millions of $$$ --- so in the grand scheme, its the human element that guides the outcome of any process. No boos from me we use them in a production capacity.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Apr 26, 10 | 1:43 pm
Kevin Sjostrand

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Yay! Two votes for the HF. Actually, I have two and plan on getting a couple more and will leave them set up also for single use steps. I have a small router table I want to adapt to fit underneath, and use just for routing the truss rod slots.

Kevin

Apr 26, 10 | 2:08 pm
Ken Cierp

Total Topics: 58
Total Posts: 2262
For truss rod slots --- you'll need about 1-1/2 HP --- bigger is even better. These little guys are for light cuts --- remember they are really plastic laminate trimmers.

Ken

Apr 26, 10 | 2:30 pm
DonB

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Total Posts: 240
I had the Bosch Colt but it had problems so I sold it.
I now use the Makita pictured at Stewmacs with their TrueChannel Binding Routing Jig for routing the binding. No problems with this setup. I find the makita to be less bulky than the others allowing easy free hand cutting.
The Makita is perfect for me.

Don

May 22, 10 | 11:22 am
RayRay

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Total Posts: 190
There have been other threads surface on the same subject and once again, this one leaves me feeling as nervous as a "New Bride" I know what I'm going to get, I just don't know [b] how much![b/]
There are no clear winners...and other than Harbor Freight, it would appear there isn't more than $35-$40 difference in any of them, I like a good buy as well as the next guy but to ME that isn't the most important consideration with this tool ...but I STILL don't know what features are the MOST important for what we use this thing for and which one meets those requirements BEST!
It's funny, most "Reviews" in woodworking publications seem to end in the SAME manner too...HAHAHAHA...anyway, I'm not complaining, (Yes I am) :) I just haven't bought one yet because I HATE buying something in this category, (Tools) and them throw it away or ruin something until I figure out which one is the real deal! ( insert BIG smile and Wink here..)

May 22, 10 | 2:48 pm
RayRay

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Total Posts: 190
It's probably 'Ol "Thick Headed" ME...because it would appear after re-reading this thread the Rigid edges out MOST of the others...AGAhhhhhhh...
decisions..decisions. :)

May 22, 10 | 3:00 pm
naccoachbob

Total Topics: 26
Total Posts: 257
I'll mess with ya a bit on it then, RayRay. I like the Colt. I took its plastic base and glued Ken Cierp's binding router jig to it and it worked beautifully.
I then bought another base so I'd have it for other things.
Bob

May 22, 10 | 5:56 pm



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