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Sneak Peek -- KMG Nylon String OM Cutaway
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Ken Cierp

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This has been in the planning stage for a long time --- I prefer NS so this one will be my personal every day player. It has a soundboard mounted dual pick up with end pin pre-amp. We now make the Gibson style rounded heel necks and these will be standard on all the cutaway models SS and NS. As usual there are plenty of builder options available. The 35 style three piece back is one of my favorites - Walnut and EIR was used here.






Feb 21, 10 | 10:26 am
Kevin Sjostrand

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I prefer the Gibson style rounded heel also, and that is a neat looking bridge design too.
So how did you brace the top for this guitar. Is the top thin like a classical?

Kevin

Feb 21, 10 | 4:43 pm
Ken Cierp

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It has a fairly standard Torres fan brace pattern -- no hocus pocus -- but I do tap and thin each top until I get a little flex across the grain -- so what I am saying is I don't have a standard thickness for any model. I believe anybody can hear the ring and sustain of a lively top once you know what to listen for (I know don't end a sentence like this). Too think it sounds like a table top too thin it sounds like a piece of cardboard. The top on this one is Sitka right around .090"

Thank you, I had a curvy bridge designed then this came to me --- seems to suit the instrument well.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Feb 21, 10 | 5:31 pm
Ken Hundley

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I like it Ken, can't wait to see it finished. I too like the Gibson style heel for cutaways. I have seen the standard tapered Martin style, nothing wrong with it, but I like the cleanliness and continuity the gibson heel adds. Thats what I have going for my two OMs right now.

I bought a 12 string neck that was on discount from Hanalei moon....its the tapered standard Martin heel. Prblem is, I want to do a cutaway. I have two thoughts.....deal with the corner showing, or try to curve the side to mount flush to the taper. I am just curious what that will do to the strength of the neck joint for a 12.....I just really think I want a cutaway. Dilemmas! Anyway, good lookin guitar there.

Feb 21, 10 | 6:44 pm
Ken C

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Hey Ken, nice to see some of your work! Looks like you'll have a gem when you are done. Given all the other things you have going on in your shop, how much time do you have for building?

Ken

Feb 22, 10 | 6:32 am
Ken Cierp

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Well this OMNS is a kit idea I've had for a long time. I'll show another OM soon with a "pinless" bridge. Our CNC equpment allows us to produce and offer stuff that's much different from the Martin factory re-cycle sellers. So my hope is to take advantage of this capibility. To be honest you and a few of the others here at this forum made it clear to me that guitars that are more custom, is the trend and what guys/gals really want. I am moving away from the Martin clone concept -- appearance anyway! I get a lot of requests for special trim items rosettes etc., so we'll be working on that too.

Funny you should mention it -- yeah building guitars and producing kits, tools and fixtures require different set-ups -- the shop is a mess!!

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Feb 22, 10 | 7:09 am
Tony_in_NYC

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Ken Cierp....Nice job with this. If I can build one of these kits and make it sound better than an Antonio Aparicio, I will have two customers right off the bat! And not for nothing, I have held, played and examined two of his guitars and they are nice, but the glue was sloppy all over the inside of the guitar. I was shocked actually.


Feb 22, 10 | 1:16 pm
Kevin Sjostrand

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I've wanted to build a classical, but not in the traditional sense; spanish heel, etc. I like the idea of an nylon string hybrid type guitar on the OM. I could go for that, if I had help with the bracing pattern. Perhaps that will be #5 instead of a steel string OM. I have some very nice walnut; would it make a good NS OM?

Kevin

Feb 22, 10 | 2:48 pm
naccoachbob

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Ken, I definitely agree with you about customization as you know from our correspondence. I took my build out to Steve Kinnaird's today to show them and to look at his current project. Mine looked so "plain jane" or "plain jack" to be pc. Also, the Show It Off section on here is inspirational in so many ways. I fully intend to purchase from you and John Hall in the near future because of your flexibility, customer support, and ease of dealing with. (There's a joke about ending a sentence in a preposition, but I'll have to pass that on thru email. It ain't fit for consumption here.)
Bob

Feb 22, 10 | 4:51 pm
Tony_in_NYC

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Bob,
You dont want to end sentences with prepositions or leave your participles dangling. Its never good form. ;-) Especially in public.





Feb 23, 10 | 7:09 am
Ken Cierp

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"I have some very nice walnut; would it make a good NS OM?"

It's all subjective -- but I am a huge fan of Black Walnut, I like the look, I like the sound (to me between EIR and Mahogany), and I like the way the shop smells when Walnut being machined.

One of Overholtser's award winning Classicals was made of Walnut -- There's more fine Walnut guitars out there then one might realize.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978





Feb 25, 10 | 3:28 am
Ken Hundley

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Tony, you never want to make any kind of proposition when you've got anything dangling. Its just not done.

I have one more set of Padauk I was thinking of using for a nylon hybrid OM of very similar shape to yours, Ken, but without the soundhole (just can't get over that look!) What are your thoughts on Padauk with nylon?

I still have yet to string one of my other padauk guitars up, so can't compare the steel strings yet.


Feb 25, 10 | 9:07 am
Ken Cierp

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Never heard a Padauk guitar? Seems to me it would be similar to Maple.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Feb 25, 10 | 9:29 am
Tony_in_NYC

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Ken Hundley...unfortunately, I am often dangling when I proposition people. I am not saying there is a lot dangling, I just do it a lot.

I am building a walnut kit from Ken Cierp right now, and it does smell nice when I am sanding it. It looks great too! Take a look at Ken C's J-185 in the procedures forum for proof! That is a real beauty!

Feb 25, 10 | 6:59 pm
Ken C

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Actually Ken Cierp had a hand in my J-185. That guitar is built from Ken's J-185 design. So Ken has a couple of new guitar styles out there.

Ken

Feb 25, 10 | 7:27 pm



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