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brace slippage - what would YOU do?
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deadedith

Total Topics: 34
Total Posts: 165
Just the facts: gluing back braces, clamped them up, everything straight, went to dinner. Just got back, the 2nd brace from the bottom slipped 1/8" away from horizontal.
Titebond has been clamped now for an hour.
What would you do?
Thanks
Dave

Feb 13, 10 | 4:56 pm
Adaboy

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Total Posts: 509
Remove it, clean off the old glue, and re-glue it. It's not that difficult to remove.

Feb 13, 10 | 5:54 pm
Ken Cierp

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Non-issue -- unless you plan to tell everybody it's off horizontal and give them an inspection mirror so they can see it. Zero effect on structure. There's all kinds of strange back brace patterns, the ladder style is just the most popular.

Ken

Kennth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Feb 13, 10 | 6:15 pm
Freeman

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Total Posts: 668
I'd chisel it off and make a new one. If you don't, it will bug you....

btw - I always put a couple of little blocks next to the brace locations. Hold them down with a single gobar or clamp, put your brace on and let the glue set for a few minutes, then remove the block. If you want you can wrap waxed paper around it so glue won't stick, but I just pull it off and clean up the squeeze out. Titebond is a great lubricant before it becomes an adhesive LOL



Feb 15, 10 | 7:22 am
deadedith

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Thanx for the input.
The little blocks next to the braces idea is a good one and my next back will make use of it.
When I was studying Zen philosophy I came across a good book called "The Way You Do Anything is the Way You Do Everything." The title says it all - our basic attitudes play out in everything we do. Such as - I can see 3 different attitudes in the above 3 answers, and I'd be willing to bet you three individuals handle most things in life with the same attitude you showed in these answers.
Just sayin' - my first reaction to the slipped brace was to think "I'll have to be more careful from now on" and start thinking of a way to improve my practice. Small blocks seem like an answer. Then I thought: "How will this affect the structure and thus the sound of this guitar." Well, how could I know this did not in some way IMPROVE the structure and sound? No way to know - I tapped the heck out of the back and it is ringing all over, so I've no doubt it will perform nicely. Then finally : telling my wife about it, she asked "No one will ever see it or know it and it has no effect at all? " and of course my answer was "But I will know about it."
In the end, it doesn't bother me at all leaving it as it is. If I played a guitar and loved everything about it and was then told about the 1/8" issue I would still buy that sucker and never look back.
I know there is a lot of room for disagreement here, but my process of thinking this out is the basic way I process the rest of my life, and I cannot escape that process.
Besides, in the end, I just do what my wife tells me! :-) True!
Dave

Feb 15, 10 | 7:59 am
Tony_in_NYC

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Happened to me too. Probably by as much. I didnt measure. I did show it to a few people and ask how it looked and could they tell me if they noticed anything wrong. Nobody did. Then I pointed out what was wrong and they thought I was kidding that I was concerned about it. Its almost not noticeable and you can check my blog for proof. What happened to me is two braces pulled into a "V" shape instead of being parallel.
FYI: My guitar sounds better than any I have ever owned or played. When my guitar playing younger brother played it, he almost fell out of his chair. He could not believe I built something so good for so much less than a Martin herringbone. (Which is what I copied with the purfling) So I say, if Ken Cierp says not to worry about it, and my guitar sounds great, dont worry about it. Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go post about YOUR blunder on any message board I can find. LOL I am kidding of course.
If you are going to use blocks to hold the braces in place, make sure you put some clear packing tape on those blocks to keep them from getting glued to your braces or the back plate!

Feb 15, 10 | 1:25 pm
deadedith

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"I have to go post about YOUR blunder on any message board I can find."

Harsh, Tony! :-) Glad you're kidding!

As a matter of fact, this is a very lively back, as is the top. Unless blunders are made, this is going to be a hugely responsive instrument. Can't wait.

Dave

Feb 15, 10 | 2:12 pm
Ken Hundley

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Total Posts: 2169
I would forget about it too. There are far more serious blunders that get masked or creatively repaired....this will never be noticed, nor will it eb a detriment to the instrument. Instead of using blocks, you might try some of the blue painters tape to hold it in place before clamping. Cheap, requires no additional clamping or setup. I got the idea from one of Ken Cierps vacuum clamp videos. One of those dumbarse aha moments.

Feb 15, 10 | 2:32 pm
Kevin Sjostrand

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Total Posts: 981
Next time insert 2 little staple points into the surface of the brace that will be glued down. Remember, I said little... or maybe short is a better way to state it. You only need a very short point so it will grab the surface of the back, and can not slip. I am using this in may different areas; sides to end blocks, fretboard to neck, and any other place you don't want the slippage. A couple little metal points should not hurt a thing.

Kevin

Feb 15, 10 | 3:20 pm
Tony_in_NYC

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Dave,
Your secret is safe with me. I wonder about some of the other characters around here though!
I think it takes a lot more to make the guitar sound bad.

Feb 15, 10 | 6:09 pm
deadedith

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Total Posts: 165
you might try some of the blue painters tape
insert 2 little staple points
put a couple of little blocks next to the brace

These all look to be eminently workable. I'll try them and see which one I can't screw up --)

Thx
Dave

I think it takes a lot more to make the guitar sound bad.

Yep, like me playing it :-(

Feb 15, 10 | 6:31 pm
Tony_in_NYC

Total Topics: 29
Total Posts: 448
I think it takes a lot more to make the guitar sound bad.

Yep, like me playing it :-(

Are you kidding? Did you watch my video?

Feb 15, 10 | 6:56 pm



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