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MIMF $100 Acoustic challenge
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Freeman

Total Topics: 27
Total Posts: 671
This has nothing to do with kits, but everything to do with acoustic guitars, and besides, is totally cool and inspiring.

http://www.mimf.com/cgi-bin/WebX?14@18.oXaOaRNQE6v.1@.ee6c2e0

Jan 14, 10 | 2:15 pm
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
Yeah, the last one they did had a lot of very cool entries. Lotsa fun.

Jan 14, 10 | 10:20 pm
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
Although it was electric....

Jan 14, 10 | 10:21 pm
enalnitram (Martin Lane)

Total Topics: 47
Total Posts: 332
do you have to keep bringing it up? I might just dive in. I've got some pieces of black cherry that came from a huge blown-down tree and that has been sitting around since the 80's. That, and maple too. I've been having somewhat decent luck making bracewood out of canadian spruce 1"x2"s ($0.98 at menard's). I also have a rift-sawn Martin top laying around. for the cost of that, tuners, frets, and truss rod, and something to make a bridge out of, I'd be well under $100. I'd like to make a cherry dred with a lacquered maple board. maybe put a tele-like radius on it....and then french polish (which I've been practicing).

How much work would it be to make a dovetail template, a thickness sander (http://www.hambasdulcimers.com/Sander.html) and an bending iron?

hmmmm... do I care about what the wife thinks?

Jan 15, 10 | 5:42 am
Freeman

Total Topics: 27
Total Posts: 668
Go, Martin. We're 100 percent behind you...... Tell her the materials for the last one cost $500, this one is a bargin. She'll understand. She may NOT understand your TAS, however.


Jan 15, 10 | 8:28 am
enalnitram (Martin Lane)

Total Topics: 47
Total Posts: 332
Tool acquisition syndrome...ha! I'm afraid to report that the wife is quite often ... gizmognostic ... (http://www.meta-gizmo.net/intro/terms.html). I had her read this, in order to, yknow, understand me better.

http://www.meta-gizmo.net/intro/ECSTACYBOOK.html

It didn't help...

Jan 15, 10 | 10:36 am
DanB

Total Topics: 50
Total Posts: 272
I believe I'm going to try this challenge either way and I'm going to make an OM guitar. I've got misc junk parts that I asked and was told they would count as free because they aren't usable for anything else, warped mahogany sides, knot hole flawed mahogany top/back, split sapele top/back. All mismatching, but it's all stuff I won't use otherwise.

My other idea, I got after I talked to Ken Hundley and I had said something about having access to a 14 or 15 inch shop bandsaw, and he told me I could probably saw my own tonewoods out of boards if I wanted to. So I went to menards and saw 1"x8"x8' foot boards of Mahogany for $24 bucks. If I can rip a 1 inch board into thirds thickness wise, I came up with the conclusion that that 1 board of mahogany should be my top/back/sides neck and end block, neck, and I'd still have some left over, but that doesn't leave room for sawing mistakes, for the price though, it doesn't really matter.

I'm going to talk to the shop teacher at my former highschool and ask him if he'd let me try to rip an 8 inch board with his bandsaw, if he's for it, then I'll buy that board and give this build a shot. If not then I'll end up building with that junk wood I've got.

Dan

Jan 18, 10 | 10:18 am
enalnitram (Martin Lane)

Total Topics: 47
Total Posts: 332
Cool, Dan! If you use the Menards mahogany, do you have a way to measure moisture content? or any plan to maybe cook it before using it?

Jan 18, 10 | 11:30 am
DanB

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Total Posts: 272
Nah, I haven't really given that any thought to be honest. It's so cheap and it's a 100 dollar challenge I'm willing to experiment with it.

I've never even considered ripping my own wood into back/sides sets or a top before so I'd be a good reason to give that practice or see if I'm even able to do it. Plus, I can see first hand what the true negitives will be if the moisture content is too high :P.

For 24 bucks a board, I can't really complain if it doesn't work out. Otherwise like I said, I've got the reject wood I can build with, and I figured if I did that I'd just paint it afterwards since none of the wood matches, and it would cover the cosmetic flaws.

Dan

Jan 18, 10 | 11:32 am
enalnitram (Martin Lane)

Total Topics: 47
Total Posts: 332
That's an interesting idea, to build a guitar out of a single board like that. You've got me thinking about it now.

I read recently that you can spray mahogany with oven cleaner and it oxidizes it. It burns it. So I tried it. It darkened the wood, for sure. but in a rather reddish tint. after wiping the oven cleaner off with a paper towel, I neutralized the chemical reaction with lemon juice. maybe this could be an easy alternative to painting? it wouldn't hide serious flaws, though. sand it. spray on oven cleaner. sand it again. then brush on minwax polycrylic? done in a few hours!

Jan 18, 10 | 12:50 pm
DanB

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Total Posts: 272
Well, the one I would have to paint would be unbook matched sapele, because it's joined now with a big crack split, so I'd flip it and join it the wrong way, the mahogany pieces have knot holes through it, and the sides are warped that I'll have to try to straighten and reprofile for an OM. By no means will that guitar be a good looking guitar, but it would easily be under a 100 dollar budget, maybe even 50. I was just thinking about filling it with drywal compound like Robbie obrien does, with out coloring the compound, and just paint it afterwards. If cheap is the goal, could follow after some really low end guitars, paint it, with painted on bindings, and would high all wood grain flaws. But it's all junk wood, the only thing that would be wasted building this guitar would be time, but maybe that's not even true, it'd be an all solid wood guitar, that I would assume would still sound better than alot of guitars. But who knows.

Schools closed today for Martin Luthier King day, and I didn't even think about that, so I wasn't able to talk to the shop teacher. If he is willing to let me try to rip a mahogany board to make guitar wood out of it, I'll pick up that 8 foot board and see how it works out. Theoretically that board should have all the wood I need for what I said, plus some, and a .750 inch board (aka 1" by menards standards) should be ripped into 3 pieces .125-.150 pretty easily I would think, even with blade waste factored in. If I can rip it into thirds, that 24 dollar board would be ideal for this 100 dollar budget thing.

Plus I saw cheap used tuners on ebay for like 6 bucks and what not, you can get your bone saddle and nut blanks on ebay for like 2 bucks and all this stuff. Plus I have reject fretboards that are already sloted and what not that I had gotten roughly 5 bucks each because the dots are drilled in the wrong spots on the sides, which would be fixed by binding the fretboard. I've also got a lot of bridges that I got for an average of about 3-4 bucks each.

So hopefully that bandsaw will take that board down, because that build would be much more intriguing than the reject wood, because it would have potential to turn out decent, and the reject wood will be working with junk regardless, and in my mind, I wouldn't even get credit for the 100 dollar acoustic guitar budget, because I'm literally using junk, and not looking for a unique alternative to buying expensive tonewoods. Although I don't know how unique building a guitar from 1 board at Menards is, it's probably been done who knows.

Jan 18, 10 | 1:14 pm
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
If you can rip that, you'll have enough for two guitars! Think about using the same wood for a laminated neck! One of those boards, if you can get good quarter sawn, could yeild 6 neck planks, with probably enough left over to stack the heels! Stick a strip of maple or ebony (or wenge, as I have been using) between them, and you'd have a nice multi-peice neck. Just a thought.

Jan 19, 10 | 6:02 pm
DanB

Total Topics: 50
Total Posts: 272
Ken, did you tell me the other night that you would have considered building one out of Oak even maybe? I thought that I had heard that but hadn't done the research, for the hey of it, I bought a board of oak too because I really liked the unique grain look for a guitar if it worked out, otherwise I won't take it out of the plastic and just return it no big deal. I'm not going to go over board with building with this cheap wood, but I really like the idea of practicing ripping guitar tonewoods with it.

Dan

Jan 19, 10 | 6:52 pm



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