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Decal Cover Coat
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ejko

Total Topics: 24
Total Posts: 113
I'm about ready to apply a headstock decal of my name, and was wondering if TruOil or shellac would make a better cover coat. I'm thinking the solvent in either might crinkle the decal, but I don't know if there are any other options available. I don't have a spray gun.

Any experience with this anyone could share?

Ed

Jul 19, 06 | 4:27 pm
ms960

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 107
Ed -- you're about one step ahead of me in this process. I have my headstock design ready to go, and was going to test it on a scrap piece of wood using TruOil as a finish. I hope someone can chime in here and help us both out.

Cheers,
Mark

Jul 20, 06 | 4:32 am
A Peeb

Total Topics: 2
Total Posts: 24
I just shoot lacquer over mine. A very thin coat first, then normal coats after that.

Al

Jul 21, 06 | 3:48 pm
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
I did an experiment using TruOil and Zinsser. Neither crinkled the decal, although both partially went under it causing an unsatisfying appearance.

Maybe I'll need to use a penknife and remove all clear areas. Trouble is, this will make it extremely difficult to handle without tearing.

Ideas?


Ed


Jul 22, 06 | 10:53 am
ms960

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 107
I did an experiment using a couple finishes. All were sealed with shellac prior to applying the finish (2 coats of shellac):

1) Tru-Oil
2) Zinsser French Polish
3) A wipe on poly finish (Minwax) I got from the hardware store (gloss)
4) A wipe on poly finish (Deft) I got from the hardware store (satin)

No problems with any of the finishes. I put the shellac down first, applied the decals, then covered with the above finishes. You can faintly see the outline of the decal where I cut it out, but none of them damaged the decal itself.

The decal stock I bought said to apply a coat of spray lacquer on the decal before getting wet to remove from the backing. Did you do that step?

Mark

Jul 22, 06 | 11:26 am
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
ms960,

No, I didn't first spray the decal with lacquer. I'll bet that gives it the strength it needs. I'll give it a try.

Thanks!

Ed

Jul 22, 06 | 1:24 pm
Larry Reitz

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 14
Where do you get the decals?

Jul 27, 06 | 7:46 am
ms960

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 107
I got my decals from this place.

However, using a clear decal on a rosewood headstock is a no go. Whatever color I print my decal in (gold, yellow, silver, etc.), is barely perceptible on top of the rosewood, which is just too dark for this kind of decal.

So....looking for alternatives. Was thinking of a gold foil decal, but can't find any sources for it.

Jul 27, 06 | 8:19 am
Larry Reitz

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 14
I did a search on google and came up with this source for gold leaf http://www.dickblick.com

It's spendy, so I am going to check with the local art suppliers.

I plan to create a design and have vinyl made of the design at a local sign shop. I am going to ask for the negative of the design and put that on the guitar. Then apply the gold leaf in the space.

Anyone have experience with imitation gold leaf?

Jul 27, 06 | 12:53 pm
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
I bought mine from a fellow on e-bay. Go to Musical Instruments>Luthier then search on decals. He has a current posting. I wound up paying $10 for three ivory decals that appear to show up well against my rosewood headstock (based on a test on a piece of scrap rosewood).

I'm still trying to nail down the process for hiding the decal gloss and cover coating it for protection. Welcome any more ideas!

Ed

Jul 27, 06 | 2:53 pm
ms960

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 107
ejko -- I couldn't find anyone selling ivory decals on ebay. Could you give me more details on how to find the guy?

Mark

Jul 27, 06 | 5:10 pm
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
MS960,

Here's the ebay item number currently listed:

110012720087

You specify the color to him. I created a logo I liked in an ivory color I liked (using MSWord) and sent it to him. I received my decals in about three days.

Good luck!


Ed

Jul 28, 06 | 4:46 pm
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
Well, despite my positive experience on a piece of unfinished scrap rosewood, when I applied my decal to my finished rosewood headstock, it practically disappeared; the same experience MS960 had.

Time to put together plan B.

Ed

Aug 03, 06 | 3:04 pm
ms960

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 107
Ed -- you had me hopeful. Sorry it didn't work out. I am still trying to solve this problem so unfortunately I can't offer a Plan B to you (yet).

Mark

Aug 04, 06 | 4:08 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Ed -- I went to that listing. Uh, ... it's all in German. Looks like it might be for decals, but ... any German-reading members here?

There's a guy on ebay in Viet Nam (how the world has shrunk) . I bought an inlaid rosewood peghead veneer from him for the guitar I'm designing (secret project ... shhhh) and it is beautiful, but it cost a lot. I sent him the type font and what I wanted, just a four-letter word, and I got it a couple weeks later.

Bill

Aug 04, 06 | 5:38 am
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
The e-mail for the decal guy is:

adatmxr32@aol.com

He is in Las Vegas. Not sure why the transaction number came back in German!!!

This guy usually has an ad on e-bay under Musical Items > Kits/Luthier Items selling 'waterslide decals'.

Bill, I'm negotiating with the same guy (thought he was in Taiwan) on a round inlay that I can install the same as one would install a fingerboard dot.

Today I got the 'brainstorm' to possibly install a 2006 shiny penny (year of build) as a headstock design. A simple 3/4" forstner bit hole a shade deeper than the penny, insert the penny, cover it with CA, level out and that should be it.

Any thoughts on this, pro or con?

Thanks!


Ed

Aug 04, 06 | 1:15 pm
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
Building on my preceding e-mail, one might make the 3/4" hole per above, paint the cut wood a contrasting color, insert an adhesive backed letter or design, then fill with CA to protect it and give it depth.

Thoughts?

Ed

Aug 04, 06 | 1:18 pm
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
Learned a lesson experimenting with the 'penny' approach I described above. After it dried, the CA had shrunk a bit so that it now was slightly below the surface of the headstock. I added some more CA to 'fill it up'. Apparently, CA does not bond to itself; it refuses to harden.


Ed

Aug 05, 06 | 5:15 am
ejko

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 113
Learned another lesson about CA while experimenting. I sunk several holes slightly deeper than a penny in a piece of scrap rosewood. I have the expensive CA from Woodcraft (99.5% pure) in thin and thick. Both clouded over as they dried, obscuring the penny below them. I used some cheap home depot CA and it dried as clear as glass! Go figure!!!

Ed

Aug 11, 06 | 6:26 pm



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