Deprecated: Function mysql_numrows() is deprecated in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 333

Deprecated: Function mysql_numrows() is deprecated in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 333
<br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> <br /> <b>Deprecated</b>: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in <b>/home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php</b> on line <b>236</b><br /> Brace shaping

You are currently viewing Kit Guitar Forum archives. To view the current forums go to www.KitGuitarsForum.com/board



Log-in
Register
Members



Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236

Deprecated: mysql_escape_string(): This function is deprecated; use mysql_real_escape_string() instead. in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/db/db.mysql.php on line 236
Brace shaping
Author
Post
DanB

Total Topics: 50
Total Posts: 273
I am about to start shaping braces for 2 different builds right now, and I haven't done my own bracing yet. I've got them all cut to size but just don't really know how to go about getting nice even lines to them. I didn't know if there was a source for information that would have some examples, or are there specific sanding jigs or something.

I'm not really looking for how to voice the guitar, I'm litterally just looking on a better approach to getting rid of the cube shaped braces to a more attractive consistent look.

Dan

Nov 05, 09 | 10:00 am
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
I typically use a small finger plane to get it close, then sand it the rest of the way.

Nov 05, 09 | 12:00 pm
Kevin Sjostrand

Total Topics: 84
Total Posts: 981
Dan,
You can use a chisel carefully, or, spruce is pretty soft and you can sand the braces to shape. I used a chisel on my first build to shape and scallop the braces. On my second build, I used my 2" x 72" high speed belt sander to scallop the braces, sanding against a 8" contact wheel. It worked great.
If you are cautious, try a small sanding block and sand them to shape.

Kevin

Nov 05, 09 | 12:17 pm
Freeman

Total Topics: 27
Total Posts: 668
I band saw mine to rough shape, then use chisels to do the actual scalloping. It is really fun to watch nice wood curls come off from a sharp blade. Sanding after that.

I'll add that when Bryan Kimsey scalloped my old D18 he did it through the sound hole with finger planes (think about that a bit). When the old git came home there was a little baggie of wood shavings in the case.

Nov 05, 09 | 12:22 pm
DanB

Total Topics: 50
Total Posts: 272
Thanks alot, I'll play around with combination of all of those approaches. Although I've got a hold up on my top again. Didn't consider the fact that the OM fret board extension didn't cover the rosette seams, so I've got to deal with trying to clean up the rosette gap that I've got or get new outter rings. Never ending stupid mistakes, haha, feels like I'll never gain momentum on this OM build, I don't think it's meant to be. ;)

Dan

Nov 05, 09 | 8:46 pm
Ken C

Total Topics: 30
Total Posts: 554
Dan,

I do pretty much what others have suggested. I have seen some that glue rectangular sticks on the soundboard and shape completely after glue up. I use my bandsaw and sander to get braces close and ready for glue up then adjust with a finger plane, chisel, and sand paper after glueup where needed. I have to admit, the 'where needed' is still a big open, not very well explored topic.

For doing a 15', 28', or 40' radius, I use a radius gauge to trace the radius to the bottom of the brace, cut with the bandsaw, then clean up with my sander. A quick check of the radius by holding the brace against the template up to a light, and I'm good to go.

Good luck, Dan!

Ken

Nov 06, 09 | 5:09 am
Freeman

Total Topics: 27
Total Posts: 668
Ken makes a good point about the radius of the glue side - I have two radiused sanding blocks that I use on the kerfing - one 16 foot (bottom) and one 25 (top). I sand the glue side of the braces with those. You could also do that in a radius dish.

Rather that futzing around with your rosette, wouldn't it be easier to make or buy a new fretboard, or have you already glued it to the neck?


Nov 06, 09 | 5:33 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
I've done the same at times as both Ken C and Freeman, but I'd like to add one note to Freeman's suggestion. Using the radiused sanding block works beautifully, but be careful of two drawbacks:

1) If you rock the brace sideways at all while sanding, you will not get a good flat gluing surface: It has to be exactly flat for a solid sound-transmitting joint. (In a radius dish, even if the sanding technique is perfect, the gluing side doesn't end up flat side-to-side; although the side-to-side radius the dish introduces is so small that it's not even discernible to the eye, it is actually the same radius that is sanded end-to-end.)
2) In a radiused sanding block (or dish), the brace stock will flex as you sand it. If you hold it in the center of the brace, it will flex there and you will end up with a larger radius when you relax it. Holding it at the ends and sanding until the center meets the sandpaper will help to eliminate this problem.

Tracy Leveque, at luthiersuppliers.com, has a brace shaping jig that I have used, that works very nicely. It pre-flexes the brace into the required radius, and thenyou sand the exposed side flat and straight. When you unflex the brace, you have exacty the radius you want. Take a look if interested.

Bill

Nov 06, 09 | 5:48 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Dan -- don't feel too bad. I've done the same thing and am figuring out how to fix it. I figure I'll add a small triangular wedge of maple to what's already there to cover to booboo. These were inner and outer rosette rings I cut after the soundhole was opened, and I tested here, thinking it would be covered by the fretboard. (Oh, well -- "It ain't a mistake if you can fix it.")




Nov 06, 09 | 6:13 am
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
Why not make a new binding peice for the bottom of the fret board and make it half an ellipse? Intriguing look, and functional as well.

Nov 06, 09 | 8:25 am
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
I also have been using a dremel with a sanding wheel to shape the braces on my custom laminated ones......diferent kind of shaping on the ends that doesn't lend its self well to chisels or finger planes. Works well, but you need to be careful.

Nov 06, 09 | 8:27 am
DanB

Total Topics: 50
Total Posts: 272
Well for some reason on mine, the fretboard doesn't cover any of the rings.

I should probably measure and make sure the soundboard will even work.

Nov 06, 09 | 9:33 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
KEn -- thats similar to what I was thinking -- the triangle I mentioned would extend all the way to the outside edge of the binding and be just about 1/8" deep at the soundhole point.

My fretboard alone,without the binding, wouldn't have covered much. That's why I put the extra binding at the end -- but it still wasn't enough!

Bill

Nov 06, 09 | 1:10 pm
DanB

Total Topics: 50
Total Posts: 272
I'll get a picture sometime of my rosette/fretboard gap, I may put this build ont he back burner if I keep running into problems, I really do like this build though, it's really showing me what to watch out for and what to expect, I'll be alot more alert next time when I get supplies to start from the beginning.

I know everyone warns people not to start out with parts, but I got such a good deal on a lott of wood, I couldn't turn it down, and still dont' regret it. Good learning experience for sure.

Dan

Nov 06, 09 | 1:13 pm
Adaboy

Total Topics: 64
Total Posts: 509
Dan, it sounds like your fretboard may be a little to short. You can buy a new fretboard from LMI or StewMac at a reasonable price. If it appeals to you, LMI will radius the fretboard and cut the fret slots, and even cut the fretboard to the length you specify.......and I still think it's less than $30. Personally, this would appeal to me more than reworking the rosette.......and much, much easier. If you've already glued the fretboard to the neck, you can remove it with heat.

Nov 07, 09 | 5:53 am



Deprecated: Function eregi() is deprecated in /home/bluescreek/domains/kitguitars/pm/lib/member.fns.php on line 2298

You must be a registered and logged in member to post in this forum