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Woody O'Keefe

Total Topics: 31
Total Posts: 103
Hey Bill,

You have done so well with this forum that the OLF has realized the potential of Kit Guitars. They now have a Kit guitar section on their forum .

Way to go Bill......

Woody

Oct 31, 08 | 9:23 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
I don't get why you think I am happy about that.

I don't know if I like it so much. Many people who would have found this forum will now go there instead. Much like the wedding magazine in San Luis Obispo -- once I took the initiative to do something nobody else was doing, a whole bunch of people jumped in and have segmented the market to its detriment. Same thing is happening here. They notice that I have a lot of visitors here, so they decide -- hey, let's open our own kit forum and get those visitors!

Those who come here and don't get answers they want could have gone there to ask more detailed questions.

Also, it ticks me off -- speaking as someone who has tried unsuccessfully to get this place to pay for itself -- that Stewmac and others already advertise there, but were not interested in advertising here at all.

Well, at least now if I shut this one down, everybody will have a place to go.

Oct 31, 08 | 11:30 am
Kevin Sjostrand

Total Topics: 84
Total Posts: 981
NOOOOOOOO.... Bill. Don't shut it down.
I like it here just fine.
How can we donate to your efforts.....Paypal?

Kevin

Oct 31, 08 | 12:05 pm
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
Bill, I think its safe to say that those of us who have been here are staying. I hope that means you too.

Oct 31, 08 | 10:25 pm
Herman

Total Topics: 38
Total Posts: 480
Bill, this was a matter of time. When you get succesful, others wanna pick from it too. And you are very succesful with this site.

Some will go there for sure, but I know the regulars will stay here. Because this is a good place to be.

You know why I jumped in here 2 years ago. For those who don't: On the other big forum, there was an ego-fight on a daily bases. And some pro's considered the questions and mainly the answers of hobbists stupid or wrong. Amateurs were treated like morons.

On the OLF are real succesfull pro's and that often comes with big ego's. This ego's want to make you sit and listen. That does not fit me. So here I am, between hobby-friends, easygoing. That what I like and that's why I'll stay. I hope you all do.

Nov 01, 08 | 3:11 am
llajoy

Total Topics: 6
Total Posts: 295
I checked out the OLF site about a year ago. Or should I say I tried. When I tried to register it did not work I sent multiple emails and got no response. The moderator of the site leaves much to be desired. After about a month of trying, I finally deleted the link.

Nov 01, 08 | 6:26 am
Woody O'Keefe

Total Topics: 31
Total Posts: 102
Hey Bill,

I'm sorry I mentioned It. Was not my intention to upset you, This is still the best builder forum, the other ( to me ) is more of conformation than anything else.
I don't see anyone writing the books and manuals we need.

I'm agreeable to a reasonable subscription. We need to support you and the forum.

Please excuse me,

Woody

Nov 01, 08 | 6:40 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
No Woody -- Please excuse [i[me[/i]. You were not out of line -- I was.

Sorr for snapping at you like that.

Having a bad afternoon I guess. I didn't intend to be whiny and sing the "poor me" song.

Thanks for your words of support -- all you guys.

Bill

Nov 01, 08 | 8:07 am
Woody O'Keefe

Total Topics: 31
Total Posts: 102
No Problem Bill,

Water off a duck's back.....


Woody

Nov 01, 08 | 8:55 am
Rick

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 49
Shoot Bill you guys are the only ones that have the experience to answer the questions from the new kit builders. Who else has the "been there done that and wrote two books about it" other than here.

I'll probably join GAL at the beginning of the year so I can get their journal. See if I can attend some Colorado Luthier's meetings if and when they have them. But this is the place where I would come first for advice and info.

Between the professionals that post here and share their insight and the folks from a variety of backgrunds that have been taking the plunge, I wouldn't think of looking anywhere else.

Rick

Nov 02, 08 | 5:49 pm
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Thanks Rick .

Nov 03, 08 | 4:04 am
leftykitman

Total Topics: 22
Total Posts: 137
My first (and only)post on OLF was on one of those "who are you"posts.Well I thought that was a good oportunity to introduce myself and say hello and wouldn't you know not ONE person said welcome or hello.On another luthier forum you have some egomaniacs that think if your not a 30 year vet your not worthy of asking a question.I'd say that this is the most friendly builders forum that there is.Thanks to Bill!!!!!
Paul

Nov 03, 08 | 4:49 pm
FredB

Total Topics: 11
Total Posts: 94
This forum is the only reason I took the dive into this hobby, even after more than a year of studying the available guitar building literature. This is home!

Nov 03, 08 | 11:51 pm
Hugh

Total Topics: 16
Total Posts: 309
This is the best place for new guys!
Turn off the sawdust machines and go vote.

Nov 04, 08 | 7:22 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Speaking of voting ... Absolutely, do it. Go vote for the candidates and laws you favor.

However ...

There is no doubt that amongst the 600 members here, and the portion of those who read and post frequently, we have differences of opinion regarding the who should become our next President.

So, just in case anybody has any ideas about saying anything of a partisan nature, today, tomorrow, or during thenext four years -- let's al just agree to disagree even though we don't know who we disagree with.

In this specific slice of my life, I don't even want to know whose political leanings are not the same as mine. This is all about guitars.

(Just so we are all kept honest, including me, I will instantly remove any post in any forum that has a comment of a partisan political nature -- humorous, satirical, sarcastic, sincere, etc., etc. There are plenty of other forums where opinions can be aired, declared, shared and compared.)

Nov 04, 08 | 7:29 am
Terry

Total Topics: 41
Total Posts: 220
Hey Bill...

Too lose this forum would be a detriment to the art of luthiery. You've done something here that has opened the minds and hearts of people who would not otherwise have enjoyed the degree of success that they now enjoy because of having been involved with this forum. The tenor in this meeting place is extraordinalrily ego free... and this, I think, primarily because of the attitude and personality displayed by its moderator, you. You set the pace here, and by example, keep the rest of us in line so to speak, again, by your example.

This forum has evolved, at least for me, into a community of friends as well as guitar builders and is of great value to me, even though I realize I have, at times, taken it for granted.

Perhaps some of us, like myself, forget that finances for this forum/community/friendly meeting place, is primarily comming out a single pocket... How can I, and perhaps others, add to the coffers?

Terry

Nov 09, 08 | 1:24 pm
ferp

Total Topics: 6
Total Posts: 44
Bill,
Everyone pretty much said what I've got to say. I was at OLF and a few others researching before I decided to build my LMII dread. If it wouldn't have been for you, it wouldn't be sitting in my dining room as we speak, nor would I have ordered the 000 I did from John Hall. I was going to order the Martin book, but why don't you keep the check for the site and I'll reorder the book in a little while.

Sorry to put it this way but you started my obsession and now you're just stuck with me........so there!!!!

Harry

Nov 10, 08 | 1:25 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Thank you all for the supporting words. This is a good group of guys.

Nov 10, 08 | 4:59 am
rexm

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 8
Hey guys, I'm new but I just want to say that I have searched for some time and have found the same stumbling block. The other sites have big egos and are mostly rude to a little fellows like me. The main reason I became interested here was that I saw a new,real and personal side of people that love the same things I do, Wood and guitars. To be honest,I was too intimidated and knew too little to dare ask any questions on those sites. I was even berated by one site because I let them know that I had a very limited budget and my spelling is not so great. Keep up the good work guys, I appreciate you very much!!!

Dec 25, 08 | 2:46 pm
Terry

Total Topics: 41
Total Posts: 220
Welcome Rex...you're going to like it here.

Terry

Dec 25, 08 | 6:23 pm
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Hey Rex -- thanks. That was why this place was started -- so us "lowly kit builders" could learn from each other and not be flamed for asking beginner questions.

Y'know, the funny thing about that is, when you write most any pro luthier and ask him a question in private, you usually get a good, compelte answer. But, on the forums, they must think they have to protect their "image" and have to somehow put us down. It's an odd thing -- maybe normal, but still not easy to take.

Welcome to the forum -- this is the "No Ego Zone" of guitar building.

Bill

Dec 26, 08 | 6:27 am
rexm

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 8
Thank you Bill, I will order the book around the first( It's been approved by my Boss/wife) And then I want to ask you guys about tone woods? Should I get a Kit or get the wood and just order a neck. I think the neck would be the real problem for me? Maybe I could save some money by getting the wood and taking my time step by step. Maybe I'm just dreaming!! Well there goes my head and heart racing. I forgot about bending the sides, guess I've got the fever!!!

Dec 29, 08 | 11:57 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Rex -- It depends on your woodworking experience more than anything else. If you can handle bending and thicknessing (actually, "thinning") the sides, thicknessing the back and top, making a neck and fretboard, etc., then you might be able to do it without a kit. However, when you start buying parts ala carte, you quickly equal the cost of a kit.

Take a look at the Martin kits -- some of them are less expensive. (http://www.martinguitar.com/1833).

Ifyou don't have the woodworking experience and tools for the above procedures, it's best to get a kit.

Bill

Dec 29, 08 | 3:01 pm
ferp

Total Topics: 6
Total Posts: 44
Rex,
I think your questions should follow other questions like "How much room do you have?" "How much money do you want to invest in tools?" "How much time do you want to invest in a project if you do it by hand?"... I'm sure you get the idea.

I found that the savings are usually 10 - 20% with kits and with most dealers you can pick your woods etc.

As for me, I prefer serviced kits because the only power tools I use are a jigsaw, drill, a dremel and lam trimmer. My LMI dread looks good except for the finish sigh and more importantly sounds great. (thanks guys, it was definitely a group effort) and the 000 from John Hall is coming along nicely too.

Harry

Dec 30, 08 | 1:09 am
rexm

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 8
Thanks Bill,ferp, A Kit it shall be! The serviced Kit sounds like a great ideal for me because I am limited on space and I will have to get tools as I go or as needed. I do have most of the tools you mentioned ferp. The finishing thing should not be too big of a problem for me as I have finished cabinets since the age of 16. I have also referbished 12 guitars for the children at the Bair Foundation. This is one of my greatest joys!! When I give one of those children a guitar and tell them I believe in their ability to make music. It gives me such a thrill. Anyway, I love the look of a cedar top but was told they only last up to 20 years before they split. Is this true? I want this guitar to last for a life time.

Dec 30, 08 | 10:22 am
Ken Cierp

Total Topics: 58
Total Posts: 2262
Personally if I were told that "they (cedar) only last up to 20 years before they split" even if the "hear sayer" were a so called professional, I'd ask for the "data and the documentation" --- as a matter of fact there is a risk of getting bad info at any forum or even in some books. Even in this forum Bill has the disclaimer at the top of the page reminding us that this is an open forum so anyone can make a comment --- factual or not.

That said, Cedar is in fact softer than Spruce so it certainly will dent easier, as for splits -- braced correctly that should not be any more of a problem than any of the other top tonewoods. As with any guitar maintain proper humidity and use common sense relative to string gage.

The major manufacturers would not be offering Cedar topped steel string guitars if they knew they were going to fall apart in 20 or 50 years.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Dec 30, 08 | 11:14 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
+1 on what Ken said. There's no reason a cedar top would split if properly braced, properly humidified, and used with the correct string gauges.

Bill

Dec 30, 08 | 11:25 am
Ken Hundley

Total Topics: 40
Total Posts: 2169
And don't let your 18 month old sit on it either......don't ask, repair number 7!

Dec 30, 08 | 11:55 am
Anna Lee

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 1
Hi all!
I've just visited this forum. Happy to get acquainted with you. Thanks.

Removed.

Nov 14, 09 | 3:28 am
Kevin Sjostrand

Total Topics: 84
Total Posts: 981
Bill?

Nov 16, 09 | 6:35 pm
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
I removed the anime link. I never did look at it. Was that the issue?

As far as OLF's kit forum, I've never looked at it, either.

Bill

Nov 17, 09 | 5:20 am
yang

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Total Posts: 1
EDITED FOR CONTENT

Jul 18, 10 | 9:43 pm
Kevin Sjostrand

Total Topics: 84
Total Posts: 981
I haven't, and you shouldn't. Don't click on the links in this post.

Kevin

Jul 19, 10 | 5:37 am
Sean

Total Topics: 6
Total Posts: 18
Thanks Kevin. I appreciate the heads up.

Jul 19, 10 | 2:13 pm



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