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Has anyone used CA glue for the binding?
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gouzos

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Has anyone used CA glue for the plastic binding?

Weld-on isn't to be found around here and I'm searching for an alternative. CA glue seems to be the most common alternative. I'm a bit concerned however that it might be more brittle and prone to loosen.

I have found another cement in a hobby shop that says it's acrylic resin and organic solvent(weld-on's ingredients) but seeing as it hasn't been tried I was thinking maybe CA would be a safer choice.

Any opinions?

Jun 18, 08 | 2:44 am
jhowell

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CA is used and can be brittle. I've read about this, but never have done it --

Tape the binding to the guitar leaving an inch or so between strips. Put some thin CA into a pipette and very carefully wick it into the exposed joint line. When the CA has set, remove the tape and wick CA into those spots.

I use CA to start the bindings at the end graft and in the tight bend at the waist and have had good luck.

Jun 18, 08 | 4:33 am
jeremy3220

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CA can stain spruce.

Jun 18, 08 | 5:24 am
Ken Cierp

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CA has the potential of causing very unattractive yellow stains when used on spruce --- I no longer use it on any top joint.

Ken

www.kennethmichaelguitars.com

Jun 18, 08 | 5:28 am
gouzos

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Well, about the staining, I know you should first seal with shellac.

I think I can handle that, but will it hold?

Any other ideas?

Jun 18, 08 | 5:42 am
Ken Cierp

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Here is my thought -- if CA was a good choice to use on bindings every single factory would do it that way --- they don't. One of the Weld-On products designed for PVC is a good choice. At one time Martin's GMC sold Duco -- they no longer do because it does not work all the time with modern plastics.

Ken

Jun 18, 08 | 6:00 am
Ken Cierp

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The above should say Weld-On products designed for use with both ABS and PVC.

Ken

Jun 18, 08 | 8:00 am
Ken Cierp

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Something else to keep in mind is that the various mating surfaces of the bindings and purflings are continuously changing as the material is conforming to the inside and out side curves. So the strips of plastic need to slide a bit before becoming permanently bonded into a stiff/rigid block thus a solvent based glue is desirable.

Ken

Jun 18, 08 | 8:09 am
davidmor

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I used CA on my Stewmac dreadnought kit with plastic bindings. It worked well and is holding up just fine so far. Get back to me in about 20 years and I will let you know if it is still holding. I used weldon on the heel graft and hated the stuff. It melted the plastic and made a mess. I figured if it made that big a mess with the small end graft, I couldn't imagine how bad the bindings would end up. After doing some online research I found several builders who use CA so I decided to give it a try. No guarantees that it will last forever but mine is doing well after 2 years. Like others have said, if you use it, make sure to seal the spruce end grain. I will make for a very nasty yellow stain that is permanent.

I used the tape with 1" spacing method and wicked it in. It also made for a much more controlled installation for my first attempt. I use wood and LMI white glue now for bindings.

My Blog

Jun 22, 08 | 4:39 pm
Ken Cierp

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Forgot about this --- Bob Taylor's take on CA -- super glue for bindings

http://www.taylorguitars.com/video/factory-fridays/default.aspx?edition=5&title=5%3a+Binding+Part+2

Ken

Jun 22, 08 | 5:17 pm
jhowell

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Ken--

That's a great link and has helped me a bunch. I used LMII's FCA glue the first time and tried to brush it on with disposable flux brushes and just hated it. I have used the Taylor method subsequently and it works very well. I have a glue syringe that will hold an entire container of the FCA and I use that insted of the rally big pipette. This really changed my outlook on the stuff!

--Jim

Jun 23, 08 | 11:26 am



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