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Please help me find this router guide
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000lover

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I have read so much great info on this site but it is all running together. I once saw a member here making a wooden router guide that had a wooden handle. Anyone remember who this was or can revive this thread?

thanks in advance

matt v.

Jan 07, 08 | 2:52 pm
Ken Cierp

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It is in Jim William's book -- in my opinion the base/foot is much too big to work with the standard 15' back contour. A smaller version for trim router may work OK?

Ken

Jan 07, 08 | 3:31 pm
000lover

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That may be, but I also read a thread on this forum of a member who had a link with this router attachment. Maybe he got the idea from jim williams. Anyone know of this member?

Jan 07, 08 | 4:50 pm
davidmor

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Bill Cory sells a router attachment like you are talking about on ebay. Ken C. also has one on his site.

Jan 07, 08 | 5:15 pm
000lover

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After viewing the stewmac video, I think that a guide with a handle may not be the best road to travel. It looks like you have to rotate the router back and forth, mainly on the back, and the handle may get in the way of that.

Jan 08, 08 | 6:34 am
SteveC

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This is the router Bill was selling on eBay. He does not have one listed now so you might contact him to see if one is available. I think that is what you saw on the forum. Jim William's book has some good jigs and plans but I would not want to try to build a guitar using just that book. It is written as a manual for a course taught by an instructor.

Jan 09, 08 | 12:03 am
Hugh

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This looks like a good one and I think I have seen it here before.
http://www.kennethmichaelguitars.com/portattach.html

Jan 09, 08 | 6:06 am
Bill Cory

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Sales Pitch For Bill's Router Guide

Guys:
If a person wanted to buy a router from Harbor Freight, and purchase my Router Guide Kit, this procedure is explained here: This Mounting Instruction sheet online shows the entire process of mounting the router guide kit to any drillable-base router. Another web page contains a "Sales Pitch" for the guide, with a movie and additional info links. This kit has been used by about a hundred people all over the world (from an inexperienced 16-year-old who never used a router before to experienced people) and I have yet to have a return or hear of a problem. Many happy customers are members of this forum and have mentioned in their posts that their binding channels were cut just fine.

This router guide, including the edge guide attached to the base, is removable from the router so it may be installed for temporary use.

Below is a list of laminate trimmers with a Lexan® (drillable) base. There might be others that I don't know about. The Harbor Freight machines are sold under various names throughout the world; a guy in New Zealand bought one and got one of my kits: His first gutiar came out just fine.

Laminate Trimmers with Clear Base
Chicago Electric
Makita Laminate Trimmers (N3701, 3707FC)
Ryobi battery operated
Ryobi corded
Hitachi M6SB Laminate Trimmer 240V
(I have not tried to attach the guide to a full-size router or plunge router)

My guide kit is $34.95 plus $5 shipping (US$12 International) for the kit shown in the above web page. If you have a metal base, you can send me that base and I will make the guide for it: The cost for that type of service is $44.95 plus $9 shipping (US$12 International). Every guide is hand made, so it will take a few days to make on order -- and it will not look like a perfect factory-made item, but I guarantee it will work as promised. (If you use a Bosch Colt, I can make the guide without the base, as I have a Bosch Colt here and they are all standard.)

The guide is much more stable when bolted directly to the base, as shown in the Mounting Instruction sheet linked above, because drilling a hole directly in the base and attaching the guide's vertical "side guide" makes it more stable by eliminating a part that is required if the base is not drillable. (If the base is not drillable, an extension must be made, which introduces a slight amount of flexion into the system.) I am currently working on a redesign to remedy this situation and make both mounts equally sturdy, without excessive flexion.

Questions? Email me: kitguitar@gmail.com

Tell 'em Bill sent ya.

"And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming."




Jan 09, 08 | 6:19 am
Bill Cory

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Matt: FYI to all:

All threads are searchable by keywords from the box on the front page. Every thread and every post since the 3rd of march, 2006, when I put this forum online.

The problem is getting the search terms right, and then wading through all the posts that you get in return: So many posts include the same terms that you always get a LOT of results.

Bill

Jan 09, 08 | 6:24 am
Ken Hundley

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I got the router guide kit from Bill and attached it to my own base. Very simple and quick attachment, Bill's created a very handy little tool that works well.

Jan 09, 08 | 6:25 am
drembo

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I bought the Harbor Freight laminate trimmer on sale abut a week ago for $19.

Jan 09, 08 | 7:09 am
Bill Cory

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Drembo -- Dang. I haven't been able to find them for less than the $37.99 "regular price." I get their emails, and they've stopped listing them at the prices they ahd before. Maybe it was the 30 of them I bought.

Bill

Jan 09, 08 | 7:21 am
Dennis Weatherly

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Bill just built one of his router guides for my Bosch Colt (and I'm excitedly waiting for it to arrive). The Colt does not have an oversized or drillable base as delivered. But I found out that Rockler carries a replacement base for it that IS oversized, drillable black plastic. Too bad it's not clear, but Rockler sells clear bases that might be adapted to the Colt as well. So perhaps that is an option for others out there with a Colt. If I go that route (ouch! bad pun!) I will take some pictures to share.

Jan 09, 08 | 12:05 pm
davidmor

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I was just at HF last week and they had a big pile of those trimmers for $19. I think it might just be in store sales and not in the flyer.

Jan 09, 08 | 12:05 pm
Bill Cory

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Dennis, and all ... it doesn't matter if the base is clear or not ... it's jst whether it's drillable or not. That's my fault for always referring to the "clear base." When I'm using the router, I've always got it at eye level anyway so I can see what the bit is doing.

I'll have to drive the 20 miles to HF to check on the routers ...



Jan 09, 08 | 1:42 pm
000lover

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Bill, I have gone back and forth, back and forth over which to get. Ken's, Bills, Stewmacs #5248 (since I have a "freedom" type outfit already), OR just giving up and asking a seasoned guitar builder 30 miles away to help and he would probably let me use his setup. I would have already bought your guide, Bill, if I din't have to buy those expensive bearing bits. I don't doubt they are the best thing to get, but I really want to stay away from spending over 100 - 150 $$ to bind.

......i still don't know what to do.

Jan 09, 08 | 2:45 pm
davidmor

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I know the Stewmac unit works but a dremel is a bit weak for the job. If you go slow and take your time it will be fine for one guitar. I wouldn't want to use it on any more than one build though. If you really want to save some money and don't mind some hand work, you can use a Gramil from LMI and chisel. It would give you that 'old time' woodworker feel when you did it! Actually, I am half tempted to purchase one of these just to score the edges prior to routing to eliminate any tear out or fuzzies.

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Jan 09, 08 | 2:56 pm
Ken Cierp

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There is a binding set up in Kinkead's book that is much like my binding machine although, not nearly as user friendly. I once made one, it works great and only uses one size bit. You can use any router and the scrap you have laying around should yield the other material. Just a thought for those with tight budgets.

Ken

Jan 09, 08 | 2:57 pm
000lover

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Thanks guys.

Davidmor, I am very interested in the gramil. It looks like a nice idea.

I found the following site that shows it being used

http://onlineapprentice.com/G14.html

Do you know of more demonstrations?

Jan 09, 08 | 3:31 pm
Ken Cierp

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Here is an other manual tool, The Irving Sloane books show how to make one out of wood


http://cgi.ebay.com/IBEX-PURFLING-GROOVE-CUTTER-VIOLIN-GUITAR-NEW-t11_W0QQitemZ250199233977QQihZ015QQcategoryZ47067QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Ken

Jan 09, 08 | 4:07 pm
Ken Hundley

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I tried that and felt like I was dancing with two left feet. It just didn;t fo well at all.

Jan 09, 08 | 7:55 pm
Ken Cierp

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Agreed! Apparently some guy/gals can use it.

Ken

Jan 10, 08 | 1:36 am
000lover

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I was really thinking about the gramil, but since money was the main issue and I just came across some, I think I will go with Bill's router guide. I will pick up a Laminate trimmer from HF today ( they are on sell for 19.99 hopefully not just online). As for the stewmac rabbit bits, I am only planning on binding no perf. so for now I will just get the one size. It will still be a little over $50 for just the bit but that's better than 90.

It is at least good finally decide! I think I will be satisfied.

Thanks for the guidance!

Jan 11, 08 | 3:38 am
000lover

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I found the site where I saw the router guide w/ handle. Here is the link to it (Andy's Guitars)

http://www.aurw79.dsl.pipex.com/guitar/om/06_binding.htm

Jan 11, 08 | 10:58 am
Bill Cory

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Matt -- That is a pretty good solution for a full-size router. It does the same thing as mine and others -- rides on the side and keeps the base off the back with the angled base. Why don't you get your router and build one of these for yourself? Doesn't look difficult.



Jan 11, 08 | 12:31 pm
000lover

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Well.....my skills are not that good yet Bill, but maybe worth a try ;)

I am sitting here looking at it and it appears that it is made of one solid piece of wood. But, surely the handle and base are glued together, right?

Jan 11, 08 | 3:05 pm
davidmor

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I think a full sized router would be too heavy and un-wieldly to use with that kind of tool. I have one and originally tried to do my Stewmac Dread using it and the stewmac method. After about 6" of cutting I decided the router was just too big for the job and put it back in my router table. I saw the writing on the wall that I was going to end up with a ruined guitar if I continued using it that way. I ended up using the table to finish the job. If you look at the picture, it looks like he is using a laminate trimmer with that guide.

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Jan 12, 08 | 4:30 am
Bill Cory

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David -- I would've sworn that's a full-size trimmer, looking at the size of the motor housing and the big base. Would that be a a lam trimmer with a plunge base attached?

Bill

Jan 12, 08 | 4:43 am
SteveC

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Bill,
Decided to bump this thread up and say the HF circular today has the Chicago 1/4" trim router on sale for $19.99, lot no. 44914. Sale ending 2/11.

Jan 23, 08 | 3:45 pm
Bill Cory

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THANKS Steve -- This would be a good purchase for someone who is thinking of buying my router guide, unless you already have a router with a clear (or drillable but not clear) base.

See why by going to to this tutorial photo page.

Bill

Jan 24, 08 | 9:46 am
davidmor

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To me it looks like either a large laminate trimmer or a very small router. My full sized router is at least twice that size and there is no way it could be run using only one hand. I have a rotozip (a specific use laminate trimmer) and it is just a hair larger than the one in the photo. It does look like a plunge base in the picture.

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Jan 24, 08 | 10:27 am
SteveC

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Bill, Is that trim router at HF the exact one you modify or is it a different model?

Jan 24, 08 | 11:47 am
Bill Cory

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Steve -- yes. that's the one. I also have done the same thing with Ryobi cordless from Home Depot, and the Ryobi is my real workhorse. I like the freedom of having no cord.

Bill

Jan 24, 08 | 3:20 pm
000lover

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Bill, on your tutorial, how tall is the stick you glued? Would 2 or 3 popsicle sticks be about the same depth?

Jan 26, 08 | 4:45 pm
Bill Cory

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Matt -- I actually use 3 popsicle sticks from my daughter's old craft set when I can't find a single stick. :-) ... 3 popsicle sticks are exactly right, in my design.

Jan 27, 08 | 5:55 am
000lover

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Thanks Bill. I am trying to understand how the whole "router guide" thing works. Since I have never attemted this, please forgive me for dumb questions. BUT, I have another.

Is the stick/piece of wood the only thing that comes in contact with the top/back?

Jan 28, 08 | 5:18 pm
Bill Cory

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Matt - in my design ... yes. And, the reason I cover it with brown tape is simply because the tape slides easily and leaves no marks.

Blue tape on the base, then the edge-riding piece is super-glued to the blue tape, shaped as needed, and then a piece of brown (blue, plain vanilla, etc) masking tape or binding tape is put over the stick so it will glide along the edge. Note that there is plenty of lift for the base to clear the most extreme of arches. The stick has a cutout where the bit actually cuts. (See more on this page.)

The routing shown was done with the setup shown; no additional cleanup of the channel had yet been done (except for brushing off). Note that the 3 glued together (aka "laminated") popsicle sticks are obvious.



Hope this makes it all clear.
Bill

Jan 29, 08 | 5:23 am
000lover

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Thanks for the GREAT pic Bill!! It truely does say 1000+ words :)

I think I understand now....today anyway. Don't know about tomorrow.

Jan 29, 08 | 5:59 am
forestcaver

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Hi - just seen this thread - been away with exams, etc. (Also been building electric guitars, effects pedals and an amp - but am now planning another acoustic).

The router I am using is a full size router (not a laminate trimmer). It's a Trend T3 - a smallish router, but by no means that small. I also have a T5 that is a fair bit bigger. I used some super slippy tape (used for jigs) on the side that runs against the side. I put quite a big "wedge" in the base that sits against the top/back so that it would clear the arching. The tool then sits on a narrow lip on the top/back that is perpendicular to the side with the handle. It worked well with a normal 1/4" cutter. It was made out of MDF...

Hope this helps... please feel free to ask any questions - if I can help, I will...

A.

Ps. It worked well and I will happily use it in future - it was cheap, simple, accurate and got the job done :-)

Jan 31, 08 | 11:06 am
Gregg C

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Bill,
The guide is brilliant !!
I have everything in my shop to build one !!
If I get into trouble I order one,
Thanks
Gregg

Dec 10, 08 | 6:07 am
Bill Cory

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Go for it Gregg -- Tip: You can slightly stress the aluminum a bit to make the face of the oak piece perpendicular to the base.

Dec 10, 08 | 4:40 pm
Kyle

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I used Ken Cierp's binding attachment for my Bosch colt. I got around the mounting issue by purchasing a Bosch straightedge attachment PR002 ($9), and just using the L bracket from it. This was my first attempt at routing binding/purfling channels and it worked out really well.




Dec 12, 08 | 5:38 am
Tennessee Jed

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So help me understand (as someone who doesn't even own a router/trimmer). With Bill's guide, one must modify the router base by drilling into it, but with Ken Cierp's guide (shown above by Kyle), one must purchase a "straightedge attachment". Am I correct?

Jed

Dec 12, 08 | 7:21 am
Bill Cory

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As far as my (Bill's) guide is concerned, that's right, unless you are using a Bosch Colt, in which case an additional part is added that mounts the guide to the Colt's built-in mount. The additional part is included in the router guide package.


Dec 12, 08 | 7:48 am
Ken Cierp

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Hi Jed, All three of the KMG attachments, Stew Mac .925" bit, LMII 1"bit and the straight 1/4" bit models are designed to be attached with the provided screws and lock nuts -- this requires drilling two holes in the base. Actually Kyle passed this idea along to me a while back, He "decided not to drill" the holes in the base of his Colt router but instead came up with idea of using the Colt bracket. So to answer the question -- NO the Colt bracket is not necessary. There are instruction for mounting and using the attachment at the KMG website.

Ken

Kenneth Michael Guitars est. 1978

Dec 12, 08 | 7:50 am



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