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Go Bar Deck for Free!!
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CrowDuck

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 151
Purchasing these from suppliers can cost from $50 and up.

Instead, you can use the underside of a sturdy desk, where feet & legs normally go.
Or, the underside of a sturdy dining room table. Stack some stuff on top if necessary.
Underneath, make a platform out of whatever's handy, plywood, MDF, etc. to hold the radius dish at an appropriate height to cause about a 1" to 1 1/2" deflection to the go-bars.
Involves a little stooping over, or kneeling, but if you're reading this here, you're probably not building at high production volume.........yet. Use the $50+ to buy some wood, or some tool you can't make or improvise. No extra storage required either.

CrowDuck

Apr 22, 06 | 9:04 pm
Sanjiv

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Total Posts: 43
Great suggestion. I was going to do that and then realized I had some scraps of plywood left over. Anyway, I bought a 2X4 stud had it cut into 4 'legs' of 18 inches, used two rectangles of plywood and using some wood screws created a go-bar deck. Net cost - $2.50 for the 2X4 and whatever cost you want to attribute to the plywood and screws.

Apr 23, 06 | 1:05 pm
CrowDuck

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Total Posts: 151
Sanjiv,

Good move! I love doing things for cheap/free.
Now, find some cheap/free wheels or casters, so you can wheel it around your shop when you're not bracing, and use the top for another portable worktable.

CrowDuck

Apr 23, 06 | 3:25 pm
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Great suggestion, Crowduck! If you're using fiberglass rods, here's the least expensive source I've found ($2.25 for 3/16" 6 feet). You can also use wooden dowels, but they exert too much force for some materials and can starve a joint of glue, too.

Apr 24, 06 | 4:47 am
Sanjiv

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Total Posts: 43
Bill,
I have an even cheaper source for fibreglass rods. http://www.goodwindskites.com
They have 4' lengths of 3/16" for $1.32.
Hope this helps.
Sanjiv

Apr 24, 06 | 12:46 pm
CrowDuck

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 151
I haven't ordered fibreblass rods from either place, but I notice that Bill's source states that they cut their 6' rods 1/2 for shipping, they say "UPS considers lengths over 36 inches "oversize" which makes the billable weight 30 pounds".

Sanjiv's site says, "All rates apply to single shipments under 20-lbs. and 60" in length", regarding shipping which is charged by amount of order.

My caveat is to consider what length rod you actually need for your particular deck, and how that best divides up with one vendor or the other, and how shipping costs compare. For instance, if you need 3' rods, Bill's source would be 'just right' at 6' cut 1/2 to 3', and cost $1.13 each. If you need a different length.................well, you get the idea.

I ordered my rods from Blues Creek Guitars, a sponser here, and they came 'cut to length' with nice protective plastic caps on the ends, that's another option, don't remember the cost. If you're ordering something else from John Hall at BCG, he might 'bundle' them with an order and consolidate the shipping charges. Check it out.

CrowDuck

Apr 24, 06 | 1:50 pm
CrowDuck

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Total Posts: 151
I had another 'brainstorm' for a 'free go-bar deck'. When my son was a toddler I bought him a child's table & chair set from Toys R Us, which he has long since outgrown, and which has long since disappeared to a place unknown. One of those would work fine for a deck, just pile some stuff ontop for weight. Check your garage, flea market, yard sales, thrift shops, etc.

CrowDuck

Apr 24, 06 | 1:58 pm
fatnfuzzy

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Total Posts: 9
What a good idea to use a pre-existing table/desk. What is a good, cheap way to make a radius dish? Can you just stick stuff underneath the back to kind of shim it up to the approximate shape? It would seem that you would have to be pretty acccurate or pretty lucky to get the proper radius.
Thanks leslie

Apr 24, 06 | 9:58 pm
CrowDuck

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 151
leslie,

What 'might work' in place of a radius dish is adapting John Hall's top/back clamping caul for the job. Cut out some ply or mdf to match the top/back, then staple or glue weatherstripping around the perimeter, "flange side out". This should support/shim the edges, and raise the inner area above the ply or mdf caul. Assuming the braces are 'pre-radiused' on the bottom, when they are pressed down by the go-bars, they should force the top/back to bend and conform to that shape. If weatherstripping is to soft, cutting a rim of masonite 1/4" wide might work better. The same fixture could later be used when glueing on the top and back, either with go-bars, or clamps.

CrowDuck

Apr 24, 06 | 10:33 pm
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Sanjiv -- Thanks for that other source!

All -- I ordered some sticks from John a few months ago -- they were $2 each and $8 shipping for 14 of them: Total $36. The little ferrules on the ends are great; they're hard to find on the web, too. (Sanjiv, do you have a source for them?)

Leslie -- there's a thread here, somewhere, on using foam, and one of the steps in my instruction guides on http://www.KitGuitarBuilder.com exolains using foam to form the radiuses (radii just doesn't look right to me).

Bill

Apr 25, 06 | 1:21 pm
CrowDuck

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Total Posts: 151
Bill,

The little "ferrules", or plastic caps for the ends of fibreglass go-bar rods can be found at OSH or HW stores in the dept. where they have 'wire shelves' and such. About $1.29 a bag.

CrowDuck

Apr 25, 06 | 1:41 pm
Bill Cory

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Total Posts: 3584
Thanks Chris -- I hadn't been able to find them at local stores, but then, I made the mistake of asking the clueless employees rather than searching for myself. (One of my pet peeves.) I also found some at Sanjiv's Goodwinds kites, too.

Bill

Apr 26, 06 | 2:44 am
ms960

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 107
Sanjiv,

I was looking for the fiberglass rods at http://www.goodwindskites.com that you mentioned. I couldn't seem to find those rods...can you give a product number or something to help me out?

Thanks much,
Mark

Apr 26, 06 | 11:51 am
CrowDuck

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 151
I remember reading elsewhere that fibreglass rods can be found at places like HD sold as 'marker sticks' for 'staking out' lawns, gardens, driveways, etc.

CrowDuck

Apr 26, 06 | 1:22 pm
wannabe

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Total Posts: 1
rubber endcaps - enco page790 about $2.50 for 100

Apr 26, 06 | 9:51 pm
Sanjiv

Total Topics: 8
Total Posts: 43
Bill,
I ordered the end caps from Goodwindkites as well.
ms960,
Look here. I think the part number is 007026B.

http://www.goodwindskites.com/merch/list.shtml?cat=framework.solidfiberglass

Sanjiv

Apr 28, 06 | 6:32 am
CrowDuck

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 151
Here are some ideas for making spreaders and go bars from aluminum tubing, allthread, dowels, springs, and wingnuts. Combine the two, and make wingnut gobars.

CrowDuck






Apr 28, 06 | 9:24 am
ms960

Total Topics: 18
Total Posts: 107
I just happened to stumble upon the following web site which has plans for building an inexpensive g-bar deck: http://hanalima.com/tooltips_gobardeck.shtml

Looks like similar ideas I've read here, but the photos and drawings help (I love pictures!).

Thought this might be of benefit to others here as well.

May 03, 06 | 4:58 am
Bill Cory

Total Topics: 158
Total Posts: 3584
Chris -- that's a great idea for the wingnut rods. On the rods for snow markers, etc., I've checked those; they're about 1/4" thick -- awfully strong for use a go-bar rods. They might starve the joint, or worse, slip off a brace and damage a top.

ms960 -- that is useful. thanks!

May 03, 06 | 8:48 am
CrowDuck

Total Topics: 25
Total Posts: 151
ms960,

That hanalima site has some good ideas for making spring loaded & PVC gobars, too.

CrowDuck

May 03, 06 | 3:18 pm
Dennis Weatherly

Total Topics: 73
Total Posts: 651
So what are the dimensions of a typical GoBar deck? I assume that if you're going to use a radius dish you would need to accomodate those dimensions. Is roughly 2' by 2' by 24" tall fairly normal?

Jun 21, 06 | 10:31 pm
MikeVB

Total Topics: 14
Total Posts: 39
That hanalima site has some good ideas for making spring loaded & PVC gobars, too.

Where can you find little springs like that?

Jan 18, 08 | 7:32 pm
uncleslappy

Total Topics: 0
Total Posts: 4
Has anyone ever tried those thin, spring loaded curtain rods as Go Bars? They have rubber feet on either end. Not sure if they are cost effective, but if they are laying in the garage, they just might work.

Have not gotten to that point yet, but thought I'd ask.

Chad R.

Feb 02, 08 | 2:41 am
Kent Edwards

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 4
I was heading to Menard's to get the materials to make a go bar deck. I decided to read this thread first. I think I will use my dining room table as a deck with much unused weights from barbells. I think I will buy the bars and the disk.

I should mention that this is my first attempt at building a guitar, so this should be quite an adventure.

Kent

Jul 01, 10 | 8:29 am
Tony_in_NYC

Total Topics: 29
Total Posts: 448
Hey Kent, Welcome!

Jul 01, 10 | 7:27 pm
Kent Edwards

Total Topics: 1
Total Posts: 4
Thanks for the welcome. I expect to be reading the forum a lot.

Jul 01, 10 | 9:58 pm
Adaboy

Total Topics: 64
Total Posts: 509
Welcome Kent! Good luck with your build. Feel free to post any questions here......it's been a big help for me.

Jul 05, 10 | 7:42 am
Kent Edwards

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Total Posts: 4
Well I actually built a gobar deck via instructions on MacDonald. I haven't used it yet, I just started my build having made a mold. I can see why people buy molds, but it was an experience. I plan on putting the gobar deck on a TV monitor swivel like I saw in a YouTube video (I think). Anyway, I will be able to pull it out and swivel it 360 degrees to work on all sides of the guitar.

By the way, what is the best way to get specific help with my build? Should I start a new thread?

Jul 19, 10 | 6:17 am
naccoachbob

Total Topics: 26
Total Posts: 257
Kent, you might want to start a thread for each question. Although, I did a build thread and asked questions during that single thread. Seemed like both were equally effective in getting answers. The guys here are very nice about answering and have good advice to share.
Bob

Jul 19, 10 | 10:06 am
enalnitram (Martin Lane)

Total Topics: 47
Total Posts: 332
I've probably mentioned this in several threads now, but for my go bar deck I went to the ceiling. it is 36" from my bench top. 8' long SPF 2"x2"s are very cheap. rip them into "bars" 1/4" by 3/4".

this set up cost abt $3...

Jul 20, 10 | 7:52 am



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