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000 full-size plan

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Hi, people,
For my first guitar I was looking for a Martin Rosewood 000, 12 fret and 24",9 kit, a model I like very much.
Reading Bill Cory book on guitar kits made me lose my certainty because I don't know what will happen without any full-size plan.
Is the StewMac 000 model right the same?
My previous experience is only in violins repair and viola da gamba construction, so I have no preparation in fretted instruments, bracing and bridge location.
Thanks. Greetings from Italy

Oct 02, 07 | 1:22 pm
Ken Hundley

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I think a guitar would be easier than the violin. Getting a kit is more assembly and finishing work than the carving you normally do, and alot of the assembly methods can carry over. Bracing is a peice of cake. If you are concerned about making your own, you can order them premade and just hand fit them yourself. Fretting can be tough if you are not detail oriented, but again, something you should easily be able to handle with a little practice and research.

As far as the size, I couldn't answer that. Just wanted to cheer you on.

Oct 02, 07 | 3:44 pm

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I used the StewMac plans for my Kovacik 000 kit, but mine is a long scale 12 fret. You might be able to modify the plans accordingly (ie. move the bracing, sound hole and bridge/plate). The plans should be accurate enough to make the mold, do the back bracing and anything else.

Note that even tho they are different in shape, I used the same plans when I built my OM 12 string (short scale, 14 fret), I just used the prebent sides to tweak the mold shape. On both guitars the sound hole was cut and brace locations were marked on the top.

Oct 03, 07 | 11:36 am

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I'll add that the StewMac plans (down load the free pdf) will tell you everything you need about fretting, the bridge, etc - much better than the Martin instructions. And there are a few folks here that can help out too.

Oct 03, 07 | 11:38 am

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Thanks all.
Maybe I'll try a StewMac kit and use its plan for the second kit (a Martin one).
They are the 'same' model, a rosewood 000 with 12 frets (and the price is the same). It only sounded good to say I build a Mark Knopfler model!!!!

Oct 03, 07 | 1:50 pm
Bill Cory

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Beppe -- the Martin 000 (from Martin, at least) isn't a 12-fret; it's a 14, with a very different body. Also, the Stewmac scale length is 25.5 and the Martin is 24.9.

The closest you can come to the Martin 14-fret 000 is the plan from LMI drawn by Scott Antes.

But, hey, one kit at a time.


Oct 04, 07 | 3:43 am

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Thanks, Bill.
Watching all the 000 in Martin site I was sure the kit was a 12 frets.
I'm tired of my 33 y.o. dreadnought Aria and I want to play a 000/12 frets, so I'm sure to begin with the StewMac next month.
My compliments, Bill, this forum is very usefull, just as your book was.

Oct 04, 07 | 12:49 pm
Dennis Weatherly

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My Martin 000 is a long scale (25.4" if I remember correctly) 14 fret. I am using the Scott Antes drawings from LMI for reference, but that is a short scale (24.9") 14 fret. So pay close attention to the scale length on your kit and where you place the top braces and bridge plate and you should be fine. On my Martin kit the location for all of those was already laid out in pencil on the top, so I just used those markings.

If you need the brace layout for a 25.4" scale 000, let me know and I can make a copy of my bracing template for you (I traced it before thinning the top a bit).

Other interesting bit: the Martin kit top and back were much thicker (around .110) than the plate dimension given on the Antes drawings (.09). I sort of "split the difference" and thinned my kit plates down to .095 rather than leaving them as supplied. We'll see (someday!) how this works out.

Oct 04, 07 | 3:14 pm

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Thank, Dennis, but I'll try for the StewMac kit, first.
In my viola da gamba, I thinned top and back much more than what instructions said, just because I got very good wood (and a luthier told me I really could).

Oct 04, 07 | 9:00 pm

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