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Question on tightbond glues?
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dcbaisden

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I see there are 3 diffrent ones on the shelf at the hardware store.
#1 is a beige color and has a red label and says original wood glue.
The other two are green labels and are water proof tightbond, II and III.
Is the original the same glue for sale to build guitars?
Thanks Dave

Apr 05, 07 | 11:38 am
JimW

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"#1 is a beige color and has a red label and says original wood glue."

That's the one you want.

Apr 05, 07 | 2:27 pm
Ted

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I used Titebond III on most places on my first guitar, mainly because of the word "professional" on the lable - mabye it made my work better. The Titebond seems to have done a fine job - we'll see what the results are like in 20 years.

Apr 06, 07 | 7:48 pm
Ken Hundley

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I met a guy at Owl Hardwood and Lumber who used to work for Washburn, then his own custom guitar shop. He said they used nothing but the original Titebond and Titebond Supreme. I have use the original on the last 3 electrics I am working on. Any spill-over shows dark yellow, but when scarped and sanded, you cannot see the glue in the joint, and VERY strong.

Apr 06, 07 | 9:02 pm
JimW

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Titebond II is supposed to be waterproof. It's touted as an exterior glue. It leaves a noticeable dark joint. It also has a reputation for creeping in warmer temps. Titebond III is supposed to have a longer working time. Has a tendency toward soft glue joints. It too has a reputation for creeping. If you're going to use Titebond, go for the original.

Apr 07, 07 | 3:54 am
Ken Cierp

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Take a look here in this forum -- gives you a new option

http://www.kitguitarsforum.com/forum/threads.php?id=1202_0_2_0_C

I agree that you need to stay away from glues that are stated to be water proof -- by their chemical nature they are designed to stay flexible to tolerate expansion and contraction. In sound production ridgid is better, I personally do not like it and do not use "hide" glue but some say the brittle nature of that glue adds to the sound of the vintage instrument "who knows for sure?". Most factories now use a version of Tite Bond type glues. I once assemble a classic guitar completely with CA (super glue) years before it was common in the market place -- to my ear the results were poor.

Ken

www.kennethmichaelguitar.com


Apr 07, 07 | 4:53 am
jhowell

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I have read that the flexibility that Ken mentions can transfer into something called 'cold creep'. This can allow the bridge to actually move a little bit over time. I'm using the LMI white glue and I like it, though it has a shelf life. I write the date on the bottle and toss after six months, no matter what.

I am going to start transitioning to using HHG in certain areas on the next build. I think that it can be somewaht beneficial on areas such as top and bottom bracing, bridge plate, bridge and neck dovetail.

Apr 08, 07 | 6:27 am
dcbaisden

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Thanks, for the info I plan on staying away from the tightbond II and III glues.
I have been reading all morning about glues. Really can get confusing and mis-leading.
The sides and back from my kit is rosewood.
Are there any do's and don't that I should be aware of. especially with the glue?
Thanks Dave

Apr 10, 07 | 6:45 am
blues creek guitars Authorized Martin Repair Ctr

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Don't eat the glue .

Apr 10, 07 | 8:11 pm
Ken Cierp

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The only special things that I do are -- clean the bottom of a Rosewood bridge with Acetone (removes oils) before gluing it to the top, I use epoxy for the X brace joint. Also roughing the gluing surface is a myth -- smooth is better.

Ken

www.kennethmichaelguitars.com

Apr 11, 07 | 4:02 am



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